22 ammo hoarding

[riflewoman]

It wasn’t just the rim fire that was in short supply. 38 Special HBWC and 45 SWC for Bullseye Pistol shooting weren’t made and the bullets weren’t readily available either. Everybody and his dog was making 38 Special 130FMJ and 45 230FMJ but the Bullseye shooters were left in the cold. I get that this stuff is not popular now, but sheesh we need something to shoot.

 

[retired]

they built for the demand, and no, it was not target ammo.

It wasn’t just the rim fire that was in short supply. 38 Special HBWC and 45 SWC for Bullseye Pistol shooting weren’t made and the bullets weren’t readily available either. Everybody and his dog was making 38 Special 130FMJ and 45 230FMJ but the Bullseye shooters were left in the cold. I get that this stuff is not popular now, but sheesh we need something to shoot.

 

[riflewoman]

I asked the reps whenever I could find one, and all of them said they were producing all the SKUs including the Bullseye stuff. But it never seemed to be available anywhere, even the businesses that cater to the target crowd didn’t have any. Champions Choice for example would get their allocation of CCI SV 22 sporadically mostly in June. They’d save some for Perry and it would be all gone by the end of Perry. They only had Norma and SK match ammo or Eley between these shipments and sometimes not even that.

All I was asking for is One domestic manufacturer to at least make a run of ammo for us to keep us in ammo without having to resort to boutique shops.

 

[hoz53]

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Unfortunately, some 22 ammo doesn't seem to have an indefinite storage period. I recently pulled some Remington 22LR Golden Bullets (Golden Turdetts!) that had been stored in a cool, dry place and the bullets were corroded to the point where they would not feed or cycle most of the time. This stuff was maybe 10 years old. Shame to - as I have several unopened cases of this particular ammo. The higher end 22 ammo with lubricated bullets does not have this problem.

I guess the old saying "use it or lose it" is applicable here. From here on out, I'll try to keep maybe a years supply on hand to get me through times of no decent 22 ammo and try to avoid the really cheap stuff.

ive wondered about shelf life of 22lr. i sold some back in the craziness that was pretty old for that reason. i may have some of those rems- i will check out. thanks

 

[retired]

THE REPS MIGHT HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT, but i doubt it is true. even hornady publicly stated they were only building "popular" bullets during the last crunch.
FEDERAL did not change primer output, but sent most to the ammo plants, so less for the reloaders. much more money in ammo than in components.

I asked the reps whenever I could find one, and all of them said they were producing all the SKUs including the Bullseye stuff. But it never seemed to be available anywhere, even the businesses that cater to the target crowd didn’t have any. Champions Choice for example would get their allocation of CCI SV 22 sporadically mostly in June. They’d save some for Perry and it would be all gone by the end of Perry. They only had Norma and SK match ammo or Eley between these shipments and sometimes not even that.

All I was asking for is One domestic manufacturer to at least make a run of ammo for us to keep us in ammo without having to resort to boutique shops.

 

[JimT]

But it would be paid off right now and you could be using it to produce specialty ammo. Imagine some US companies that could produce match ammo.

Wrong answer. Obviously you neglected to read the 10k’ as I suggested.
Remind me again, what business are you in??

 

[pirate ammo]

Wrong answer. Obviously you neglected to read the 10k’ as I suggested.
Remind me again, what business are you in??

takes a whole lot more to tool up new machines,,then your getting into people to work them,,insurance,social security and a whole list of other stuff

 

[retired]

and 6 months of unemployment and ins when you lay them off.
a really big picture when looking at ramping up for a short term demand.

takes a whole lot more to tool up new machines,,then your getting into people to work them,,insurance,social security and a whole list of other stuff

 

[pirate ammo]

and 6 months of unemployment and ins when you lay them off.
a really big picture when looking at ramping up for a short term demand.

even thou we don't agree all the time,,you got it right,,

 

[JimT]

takes a whole lot more to tool up new machines,,then your getting into people to work them,,insurance,social security and a whole list of other stuff

Coupled with the fact that Lapua and Eley ammo is made on machinery that is likely very different than what is used to make Federal Champion and Thunderbolts? As well as the fact that match ammo volume consumed in the US is a drop in the bucket compared to overall US .22 ammo sales.

 

[JRS]

and 6 months of unemployment and ins when you lay them off.
a really big picture when looking at ramping up for a short term demand.

Unemployment insurance is paid into by the employer during the time you are employed, and the money goes into the Unemployment Insurance Fund. If employer health insurance is included in your compensation package, unless you opt for COBRA, you're probably out of luck.

 

[ireload2]

It seems that PPU didn't have a problem expanding production even though they had an explosion a few years ago. What we saw during the Obama years was American management gutlessness. US ammo companies are committing slow motion suicide as PPU and Sellier & Bellot increase their production and market shares.

 

[270WinDude]

Not a lot of profit in 22LR is what I read. When 22LR was scarce, so were other, higher profit components. More importantly, chasing temporary shortages created by political forces with capital investments is a good way to go bankrupt when it is over. I think manufacturers did what the could with temporary measures such as overtime, but intelligently didn't build a lot of new factories.

However, if they did, we may see prices come back down below the prices before the temporary shortage. This will be good for consumers who want to load up, but bad for the industry overall.

It is these up and down market forces that kill the small companies, and sometimes big companies who make mistakes, resulting in consolidation into 1 or 2 companies without competition to drive innovation, quality, and pricing.

Now making large changes to fill government supply shortages... That is the exact model that created "American Dynamism"...

 

[270WinDude]

even thou we don't agree all the time,,you got it right,,

You both sound as if you know small business costs lol Most people assume every company is the exact same business model as McDonalds and can afford 15 people up front no problem.

 

[JimT]

Unemployment insurance is paid into by the employer during the time you are employed, and the money goes into the Unemployment Insurance Fund. If employer health insurance is included in your compensation package, unless you opt for COBRA, you're probably out of luck.

And an employers tax rate is based on former employees filing for it. Accordingly, if an employer has a history of employees filing that employers tax rate will be higher. In other words, avoid layoffs.

 

[JimT]

It seems that PPU didn't have a problem expanding production even though they had an explosion a few years ago. What we saw during the Obama years was American management gutlessness. US ammo companies are committing slow motion suicide as PPU and Sellier & Bellot increase their production and market shares.

Does PPU make and import .22 ammo???

BTW, I have never bought ammo from either of these companies.

 

[ebb]

I don't have a problem with anybody buying 22s or any other component for reloading for there own or family use. However the people that bought Walmart and other places out day after day just to price gouge. I wish biblical plagues on them.

 

[Dub]

I have about 17000 on hand now. I used to buy them when I needed them but got caught with none when they went extinct. now have enough to last me.

 

[spencerhenry]

I never ran out, but I limited my shooting to make sure I didn't. Now that it is affordable again, I buy it whenever I see it. I don't ever want to limit my shooting due to my supply of ammo.

 

[ericbc7]

What I had a problem with was all those folks that put crazy amounts of 22 rimfire on credit thinking that it would be like cash in the “afterworld”.

We just have to be smart folks, the ammo situation is sorta like the stock market- it’s all based on feelings and fear.