prob opening a huge can of warms with this one, but.... i looking to pick one of these up. can get a basic ADL for about $460 in 22-250, but most swifts start around $1000. my quick searches are showing supply of brass for either. main shooting is paper, steel, tanerrite ect. most just want another gun haha. so which would you choose? either way it will be a remmy 700.
22-250 vs 220 swift
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using a 55gr pill, Sierra bk, the 22-250 std will go 3725 on 40 gr h414 hart bbl a700 and shoots in the .200 -- and I am not pushing it to the fastest it will do,
the swift with the same bullet and 26 bbl will take 2-3 gr more to equal/beat that - and is more of a bbl burner
if you really want to scream, go 22-250 ai
Bob
the swift with the same bullet and 26 bbl will take 2-3 gr more to equal/beat that - and is more of a bbl burner
if you really want to scream, go 22-250 ai
Bob
Yep, It will take a 22-250 AI to equal a standard Swift. If you want the fastest horse out the gate. Pick a Swift, if you want to screw around trying to make something that will equal, plan on spending a bunch more money. Brass and dies are available.
George
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I fired 10's of thousands of both over many decades. I have now switched to 20 cals.
I did keep one Swift because there is nothing like it. Anything you can do to a 22-250 trying to "equal" the Swift can also be done to the Swift to stay a step ahead.
In general, the 22-250 may be slightly easier to load for. For your needs either will do a fine job.
I did keep one Swift because there is nothing like it. Anything you can do to a 22-250 trying to "equal" the Swift can also be done to the Swift to stay a step ahead.
In general, the 22-250 may be slightly easier to load for. For your needs either will do a fine job.
Falkwa said:
Looking at your intended uses why not go with the 22/250? $500 less for the 22/250 buys a lot of components and shooting time. With either caliber you will start to notice some accuracy deterioration aaround 2000 -2500 rounds, and possibly less if you run them too hot.
For your posted use another 100 fps will make no difference, nor in actuality will on make any difference if you shoot a PD or rock chuck with it.
Unless you are planning on shooting in excess of four hundred or so yards the 20 caliber advise is good. Also consider a 223 if you are within the 400 yd parameter, they have less recoil, burn less powder, cheaper brass and longer barrel life (5000-8000 rounds)
drover
This same discussion has gone on since the 30's when both calibers were developed. I have shot both cal. over the last 50 years. And still have rifles in both. It does take a 22-250 AI to equal the standard Swift. Check with 40x Guy here on the list. He is shooting 75 gr bullets out of a standard Swift damn near the speed the 22-250 is shooting 55gr bullets. Brass cost the same unless you buy Lapua. Dies are the same. Your saying the 22-250 rifle is selling for 500.00 and the Swift is 1000.00 but look at what your getting. By the time you put a decent stock and upgrades the cheapee needs you haven't saved anything. One is the cheapest Rem makes and the other is top line for Rem. So what's not to like? Most of the complaints that people talk about the Swift is garbage. No first hand experience, all hearsay from years past. All were barrel burners back in the 30's, wasn't the calibers it was the steel in the barrels.
But, and there always is one. Look at all the discussion and make your own choices. Try not to make it just a matter of money. If you can. I've been there and done that one over the years.
George
But, and there always is one. Look at all the discussion and make your own choices. Try not to make it just a matter of money. If you can. I've been there and done that one over the years.
George
I like the Swift for the nostalgia. And yes, it is also faster than a standard 22-250. I question it being more of a barrel burner than a 22-250. The SAAMI spec on a swift is lower psi than a 22-250, which in my mind offsets the larger capacity. I think barrel life between the two is probably negligible.
You can get Lapua brass for the 22-250, but Norma for 220 swift appears to me to be great quality as well. I think it will take me a long time to wear mine out. My swift is a Douglas barrel on an old military Mauser, and the best load with 4007ssc and 50 vmax will shoot under 3/4" at 4000fps every time. Good enough for me.
You can get Lapua brass for the 22-250, but Norma for 220 swift appears to me to be great quality as well. I think it will take me a long time to wear mine out. My swift is a Douglas barrel on an old military Mauser, and the best load with 4007ssc and 50 vmax will shoot under 3/4" at 4000fps every time. Good enough for me.
i actually enjoy flame wars sometimes. it brings out the true opinions most of the time. i had already been leaning heavy towards the swift anyway even if the cost was more. that was the bolt action i was taught on when i was 9 by my father who passed when i was 13. my mother was stupid and sold 95% of all the gun stuff before i was able to know better,,, at least she didnt sell my first gun ever he gave me (10/22) or the model 06 matching #s that was made in 1907. (30 now) i have a job now that can supply a budget for my toys again. i mainly just wanted to know if the slightly easier to get ammo for the 22-250 made much of a difference. i did make a post or 2 looking for brass on my gun FB pages. just got just under 500 swift cases mixed HS and some being norma for what i feel is silly cheap(about $.43 each shipped), i got no response to the 250 brass.
You guys are arguing apples and oranges. Why does every thread on this list, if it gets beyond the first page turn in to a pissing contest? Opinions are just that! Opinions everybody has one. I want to see the data show me the paperwork and targets! My opinions of the Swift compared to the 22-250 are just my opinions and it works for me. Good solid hits on PD's with 55 gr bullets, mostly BK's. That's all I expect it to do and it does it very well time after time. And I like 4320 for the powder.
And just in case anyone may be interested. I have three Remington VSSF rifles to sell.
1, VSSF 220 Swift, 86 rds fired $900.00
2, VSSF 22-250 NIB, $1150
3, VFS 204 Ruger, unfired with Thumbhole stock, $1100.00
George
And just in case anyone may be interested. I have three Remington VSSF rifles to sell.
1, VSSF 220 Swift, 86 rds fired $900.00
2, VSSF 22-250 NIB, $1150
3, VFS 204 Ruger, unfired with Thumbhole stock, $1100.00
George
Only way to go is the Swift. At this time I own 2 Swifts and son shoots his 22-250 LRPV with 12 twist. Deadly accurate rifle pushing 53 V-Max @ 3788 fps in his rifle. But when I want to light the woodchucks up I use my 8 twist Swift shooting 75 A-Max at a sedate 3550 fps. Can push them 100 fps faster but accuracy drops off. My other Swift pushes 55 grain BT's at 3975 fps in a Broughton 13 twist barrel and borders on pressure @ 42.9 grains of H-414. In a Swift make sure to get a 14 twist and you can see close to 4100 fps with a 55 grain bullet. Whatever the 22-250 does the Swift will do it better. IMO the 22-250 is a tad easier to find a good load for but there's just something about the Swift. When son and i go out chucking he wants to use the 13 twist Swift over the 22-250 but hes quite happy with his LRPV now that he knocked one dead at 511 yards last month. I will also say if leaning towards 22-250 go for a 12 twist to take advantage of the Hornady 53 V-Max high BC. Most 14 twists will not stabilize that fine bullet. Either way you will have a lot of fun!
Frank
Frank
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