22-204 velocities?

[bheadboy]

Question, I have a 223 12 twist 26"bbl 700, not satisfied with the velocities , as I am considering putting by 22-250 aside to cut down on powder usage,

if any of you have built a 22-204 and are using 50 and 55gr pills , what velocities are you getting.

I pd out to 500-600 area with my 22-250 and hate to loose that reach. most shots are 250-400

Bob

 

[Chief 101]

22-204=222 Remington Magnum....look it up

 

[CatShooter]

Question, I have a 223 12 twist 26"bbl 700, not satisfied with the velocities , as I am considering putting by 22-250 aside to cut down on powder usage,

if any of you have built a 22-204 and are using 50 and 55gr pills , what velocities are you getting.

I pd out to 500-600 area with my 22-250 and hate to loose that reach. most shots are 250-400

Bob

About 3550 with 50gr BlitzKings.

 

[mdonnr]

The 22-204 is not the same as the 222 Magnum. The 204 Ruger is the 222 magnum necked down w/ 30 degree shoulder and a shorter neck

I can't give you any velocitys for the lighter pills but the 75 gr amax out of a 22" barrel for me is around 3075 fps and a 27" barrel is around 3280 fps and those two aren't max loads. A 223 ai from what I've see will come close.

Do a search for the 22-204 in the 20, 22 cal section and there's a few post by "alf" with velocitys for the lighter pills

 

[Ackman]

22-204=222 Remington Magnum....look it up

Look it up yourself. It isn't.

 

['Freak]

Decent brass is more available, the dies are relatively simple, and the body goes to a 30 degree shoulder at 1.565” vs. 1.464” to a 23 degree so .101” longer and a .224-204 is good for ~ another grain of powder over a 222 Magnum. I wants me one. I have two .204 Rugers for shooting real fast light stuff and a .224-204 should do all I want with heavier stuff to 77 grain. Ray Bowman, Precision Rifle & Tool, has a PTG reamer for a .250” neck and .060” freebore. The shop is less than 30 miles ride SE of here which I hope to pay a visit once I’ve gathered the makings of the barreled action along with the means for having that much done.

 

[CatShooter]

22-204=222 Remington Magnum....look it up

Look it up yourself. It isn't.

They are not physically the same, but ballistically, they are so close as to not make a difference - and when you consider the cost of custom dies, then the 22-204 comes up a looser.

 

[Ackman]

22-204=222 Remington Magnum....look it up

Look it up yourself. It isn't.

They are not physically the same, but ballistically, they are so close as to not make a difference - and when you consider the cost of custom dies, then the 22-204 comes up a looser.

Neither physically nor ballistically the same. The 22-204 holds another 1.5 or so gr. powder and uses better brass than Rem. deuce mag brass. That stuff wouldn't hold up to hot loads. Sizing die is a .204 Redding Comp with .246 bushing, simple. Seating die is a .223 Redding Comp re-cut with my reamer when the gun was chambered. Big deal. My old deuce mag was real accurate but it wasn't going any faster than a good 223.

 

[Chief 101]

you missed the point, the gain is negligible at best...all of this has been done before, nothing new here.

 

[moorepower]

Define negligible. Don't tell ALF.

 

[Chief 101]

what I mean is the gain is nowhere near the 22/250 effective killing range, and likely no more than 222Magnum...400yds is a long reach for anything out of a 222 Mag or a relative thereof. I am sure varmint shooters have shot pd's at extreme ranges with 223's but not reliably with any negative conditions such as wind. Not trying to start an argument, just relaying info from 50+years of trying to just what the op wants to try. Take anything you read on the internet with a grain of salt and come to your own conclusions based on your own experiences. Personally I use 204R out to 250-300 and 22/250 to longer ranges...22/250 has a Shilen 1/9 twist for longer bullets to get the longer range wily coyote...you can buy a lot of powder for the price of a custom rifle in custom caliber...keep shooting and keep smiling..

 

[wapiti25]

I would look at re-barreling the 700 with a 1-8 twist. I built a rem 700 .223 with a 1-8 and shoot 80gr bullets at 600yds. I'm getting mid 2900 ft/sac and have broken 3000, the fast twist and heavy bullet makes it act like a different cartridge. I have several 223's with 12 tw they are not the same. I also have a 14 tw 22-250 and for long range I like the 223 1-8. I bought a rifle with a 1-9 tw .223 but I would not do a 9 twist again, it shoots 69's and 70's good. I am working up a 75 gr load with the Hornady 75 HPBT but it is not as good at this time. The fast twist rifles will shoot 1 MOA or better at 600 yds from a rest. I have been using them for club F-class matches. I have a 22-204 reamer but I'm not happy with the brass available for the 204 at this time. I shoot LC prepped brass in the 8 twist and Laupa in the 9 twist. I'm looking at the 223 AI as it may be a better way to go, it gives 100 ft/sec or more to the 223 and you can use Lapua brass.

 

[Ackman]

you missed the point, the gain is negligible at best

Nobody missed the point. You really don't know.

 

[Chief 101]

I guess its been a long Winter for some folks...good luck op whatever you decide on...

 

[bheadboy]

ok enough of the confusion and contrary thought.

I have contacted Wally Hart, and the following is set to go.

I am to workup loads and accuracy as is -223, 50/55br bk with crono data to match with various powders.

then send to rifle to Hart, rechamber 22-204 and true action return to me.

then do the same load accuracy crono workup and just see what comes.

I will report back as answers are obtained.

Bob

 

[moorepower]

I would look at re-barreling the 700 with a 1-8 twist. I built a rem 700 .223 with a 1-8 and shoot 80gr bullets at 600yds. I'm getting mid 2900 ft/sac and have broken 3000, the fast twist and heavy bullet makes it act like a different cartridge. I have several 223's with 12 tw they are not the same. I also have a 14 tw 22-250 and for long range I like the 223 1-8. I bought a rifle with a 1-9 tw .223 but I would not do a 9 twist again, it shoots 69's and 70's good. I am working up a 75 gr load with the Hornady 75 HPBT but it is not as good at this time. The fast twist rifles will shoot 1 MOA or better at 600 yds from a rest. I have been using them for club F-class matches. I have a 22-204 reamer but I'm not happy with the brass available for the 204 at this time. I shoot LC prepped brass in the 8 twist and Laupa in the 9 twist. I'm looking at the 223 AI as it may be a better way to go, it gives 100 ft/sec or more to the 223 and you can use Lapua brass.

I would admit that I prefer Lapua to Norma brass, but I would put Norma a close second.