2016-17 F Class Nationals

[falconpilot]

So if a Open guys want to shoot both mid and long range, he'll have to take off from the 27th till the 9th, then have set around with his thumb up his you know what doing nothing for 6 or 7 dyas, renting hotel rooms, after shooting the mids. waiting on the long's......yes, it seems the NRA has our very best interests at heart...and they believe this will increase our numbers??

As Rick states, this is not a jab at Bob or Earl...they will to put the match on period says a lot for them...this just shows how out of touch the NRA seems to be with F-Class..

 

[280man]

If I got the story correctly MR and LR Nationals were put back to back this year because of the Palma Worlds.

As to me running them. I'd be happy to but we only have 16 targets at Tulsa.

Bob please don't take any of my comments as jabs to to Earl or the gun club up there. You guys have a great facility and I always have a good time up there.

IMO if the MR matches were put out there for bid as a stand alone event there would be gun clubs step up to run it.

 

[Ringostar]

As a member at Winaquah, I like the opportunity to shoot both close to home. However I do believe that they should be held as separate matches. I think that there are many other clubs that could host the mid range, and deserve the chance to do it. If this is what the NRA wants, then shooters need to show up at the meeting in Phoenix and voice their opinion. It won't change things right away, but at least they will know what the shooters want.

 

[Scott Harris]

Dates are not set in stone yet. Earl says we will split ftr and open if no other targets get built. The NRA wants the mid range and long range to run one after the other so we can not split them. If we cannot improve range, Practice for mid range will start on 9-23. 24-26th will be FTR midrange, 27th will be team, 28th thru 30th open, then long range. October 2-4 FTR, 5th will be 4 man teams, 6-8th will be open ...

A suggestion to improve attendance:
Have the FTR midrange & long range back to back in week 1
Have the F Open midrange & long range back to back in week 2

The plan proposed above forces folks who want to do both mid & long range to sit around doing nothing for several days in a row. ...not good.

 

[Warren Dean]

Dates are not set in stone yet. Earl says we will split ftr and open if no other targets get built. The NRA wants the mid range and long range to run one after the other so we can not split them. If we cannot improve range, Practice for mid range will start on 9-23. 24-26th will be FTR midrange, 27th will be team, 28th thru 30th open, then long range. October 2-4 FTR, 5th will be 4 man teams, 6-8th will be open ...

A suggestion to improve attendance:
Have the FTR midrange & long range back to back in week 1
Have the F Open midrange & long range back to back in week 2

The plan proposed above forces folks who want to do both mid & long range to sit around doing nothing for several days in a row. ...not good.

Excellent suggestion, Scott. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Bob Sebold]

No offense taken Rick. I wish this was my range, I wish we did not have anti-gun socialist on our board that I have to deal with, but that is not the case. The problem unfortunately stems from a very vocal small minority of people who think you or any other shooter has no place shooting a very well attended match at Winnequah. This is what I am up against. Earl & I have been trying to make range improvements for going on five years now. Its not even about the money, we have it or can get it.

I am sure many of you would find some of the stupidity I have to deal with concerning this board as mind numbing. I certainly do. I doubt the Obama administration is any more anti gun then a few of these gentlemen. Earl had to get some dates together for the board to schedule. These are the dates I gave you. I know Earl will be at the nationals so bend his ear when you see him. I will not be there until the team event at the end as I have a date with an elk! (I hope). I am sure things will work out with the schedule, whatever the range looks like by then. I do not think Earl put a lot of time into the schedule yet because it can and will change with range improvements.

Earl DOES know how to run a match. He will run the best possible match. Unfortunately, due to politics, we do not know for sure at this time what we can run or how we will run it. What I gave you was the worse case scenario, it can only get better. Does anyone have a head from ass removal tool I can borrow? If said tool was applied to a few board members, what Earl & I intend to do with the range will impress all of you. Do not panic. I cannot say much else right now but be patient. We are working on it and I will let you know asap of any progress.

Hope that helps.

 

[spclark]

...I wish we did not have anti-gun socialist on our board that I have to deal with, but that is not the case. The problem unfortunately stems from a very vocal small minority of people who think you or any other shooter has no place shooting a very well attended match at Winnequah.

Hey I don't shoot F-Class but I just have to ask: how in heck does anyone fitting that description get elected to a board position of a club with gun in the middle of its name?

Why would someone even bother to run for a position? What would be the point?

 

[Ringostar]

Hey I don't shoot F-Class but I just have to ask: how in heck does anyone fitting that description get elected to a board position of a club with gun in the middle of its name?

Why would someone even bother to run for a position? What would be the point?

Steve, what Bob is getting frazzled with is the plinkers. We have members that don't shoot any kind of competition. Some of them feel that the club shouldn't hold matches, because it takes very minimal range time away from members that might want to come and plink.

 

[KWeigel]

I'm so excited! I live two hours away in central wi and can finally attend a national match. With two kids (and one on the way), work and wife it's hard to make a long trek for myself. Now there is no excuse.

 

[spclark]

Steve, what Bob is getting frazzled with is the plinkers. We have members that don't shoot any kind of competition. Some of them feel that the club shouldn't hold matches, because it takes very minimal range time away from members that might want to come and plink.

Oh... right.

I'd nearly forgotten how that scenario pretty much ruined a club I used to belong to back in IL. Last I heard zombie shoots & bowling pins rule....

More important now is that we get as many competition-minded WGC members at the dinner meeting on 10/17 as possible. That's when the BoD elections will be held, we have candidates who can turn this around with our support. It's all about numbers.

 

[Warren Dean]

Will WGC allow non-resident members to join maybe at a reduced rate? If so, we would have a vote in the election.

The dues are a bit stiff but maybe a non-resident rate would help.

I'm serious here.....Fight fire with fire.


Cheers!
Warren

 

[falconpilot]

I'm with Warren. Excellent ideal!

 

[Ringostar]

Will WGC allow non-resident members to join maybe at a reduced rate? If so, we would have a vote in the election.

The dues are a bit stiff but maybe a non-resident rate would help.

I'm serious here.....Fight fire with fire.


Cheers!
Warren

We have an indoor range membership. You only get card access to the inside range, no gate key for all the outdoor ranges. It's less than 1/3 of the full dues, but still get voting rights.

 

[effendude]

Let me get this correct, some of you are suggesting that a private club allow a discounted membership for non-residents so the non-residents can vote on policies and procedures of a club?

First of all, most clubs and organizations I belong to don't allow proxy or mail in votes. For good reason.

Second, what you wish for, even with the best of intentions, can just as easily be used by your opposition as well. What if the "opposition" decides that the KD range of a club is too great of a liability for the membership and starts a campaign to increase the membership roster with the end goal of shutting the range down? Give the antis an opportunity to stop any type of shooting or hunting activity and they will.

WGC is a short drive away from the very liberal town of Madison, Wisconsin. My club is a short drive away from Minneapolis, MN and after serving as VP for 4 years and President for the last 3, you wouldn't believe the challenges faced by clubs in the area. Before I was VP, the shotgun shooters held a strong majority of board positions. The HP shooters had to fight hard just to keep the KD range functional. Luckily, we have a much more balanced board now. We respect each others sports and understand that we need all of our disciplines to survive.

As precision shooters, we tend to be narrowly focused on our needs. The reality, at least in the Midwest, is that most of the ranges must have a broad range of activities available simply to survive. Land prices, taxes, maintenance, etc. all add up quickly. Without the membership of archers, pistol, shotgun, and casual once or twice a year shooters, my range couldn't exist.

Scott

 

[memilanuk]

Scott,

Very well said. Often times we (as competitive shooters) forget that in most clubs, the vast majority of the membership are 'casual' shooters (the term our club uses for anyone not associated with a specific discipline group). They may not be the most active participants, but they are the ones keeping the bills paid and the gate open so that we (competitive shooters) can enjoy our vices

Blocking out a couple weeks right smack in the middle of the time when many of those members are wanting to sight-in their hunting rifles... gee, I wonder why there may be some push-back, regardless of whatever 'benefits' it may bring in for the club.

Monte

 

[saunaking]

Steve, what Bob is getting frazzled with is the plinkers. We have members that don't shoot any kind of competition. Some of them feel that the club shouldn't hold matches, because it takes very minimal range time away from members that might want to come and plink.
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I have not shot at Lodi yet, but plan to next year before nationals. Isn't the range(s) the "plinkers" typically use (50-100 yards) in a separate area away from the KD range? The plinkers would not be affected by a match at our club with those ranges being in a different area of the property. Parking and sign-in may be affected a bit, but they could still get their time in for deer rifle sight in or whatever other shooting at shorter distances they wanted.

As Scott mentioned in a post above, we have had to learn to work with all members of our club to ensure the viability of the KD range in an area that is surrounded by newer development. Like most things in life, we have to make compromises with others to reach our goals. Hopefully members of the club will find a way to make the event beneficial to all parties concerned in order to keep having national level matches in the mid-west once in a while.

 

[Ringostar]

I agree with Scott, that we all need to get along. The action pistol, 200yd practice range, and bullseye pistol ranges are not effected by rifle matches. The 500m silhouette range is though. There are a handful of members that like shooting steel there, and 1000yd line.

 

[KarinL]

Hi everyone,

It has been a long time since I have been on this forum and thought it would be best to give you a tentative schedule for the F Class Mid-Range and Long Range National Championship matches at Winnequah Gun Club. If there are any changes they would be minor only. The dates are:

Sept. 24 - F Class Mid-Range Individual (300,500,600 yd)
Sept. 25 - F Class Mid-Range Individual (300,500,600 yd)
Sept. 26 - F Class Mid-Range Individual (300,500,600 yd)
Sept. 27 - F Class Mid-Range 4 Man Team (600 yd)
Sept. 27 - F Class Long Range Practice (1000 yd) after Mid-Range Team Match
Sept. 28 - F Class Long Range Individual (1000 yd)
Sept. 29 - F Class Long Range Individual (1000 yd)
Sept. 30 - F Class Long Range 4 Man Team (1000 yd)
Oct. 1 - F Class Long Range Individual (1000 yd)

If there is enough interest we can have an F Class Mid-Range Practice on Sept. 23 (300,500,600 yd). We will not be splitting up Mid-Range and Long Range at this time. If the course of fire for Mid-Range changes I will let everyone know. As far as I know that has not changed.

The match program has not been written yet but will be in a few weeks. When finished the program will be posted on the club web site, www.winnequahgunclub.org. As stated earlier we will be in Phoenix for this year's Nationals and there will be a Competitors meeting on Oct. 28, after "Cease Fire" is given. Feel free to give your comments to the people running the meeting - good or bad. Earl wants to hear from everyone on how the matches are being run at Phoenix and if there should be any major changes for the 2016 match.

I will not always have time to check the forum for comments or questions from you so please send me an email.

Thanks!

Karin

 

[LRCampos]

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Thanks Karin for the update!

For us, shooters who lives in other countries, it is really important to have the dates so we can start planning the logistics to attend the match.



LRCampos.

 

[MNFinn]

Now I'm tempted to request 3 days of PTO a year ahead of time...gives me a day for driving on each end of the mid range championships....