134 eld-m

[David Milisock]

Anecdotal information can extremely misleading without certifiable backup data. It could be whoever spoke this information really didn't know what they were talking about for a multitude of reasons. We see this frequently when someone wants to appear to be an expert and they aren't.

Like any other bullet though, there is always the possibility that the barrel simply isn't compatible with those bullets. Maybe they had the wrong twist rate?

I've shot both of the Bergers with superb accuracy in 4 different cartridges and 4 different barrels all same manufacturer. I may be the exception but I doubt it since I know lots of other .25 caliber shooters who have reported the same accuracy.

Enjoy the process!

I'm with you, there can always be a poor bullet rifle combination but in my opinion Berger is not in the habit of delivering bad product.

 

[284winner]

For some, getting them to function correctly 100% of the time seems to be a pretty common occurrence, while others say there's has never missed a shot. On another forum there's been a couple of pretty funny stories, well, funny to the readers but certainly not funny to the owners, about guys getting pissed off at their LR's that one guy was even so pissed the only satisfaction he got from it was when he packed tannerite all around his LabRadar and blowed the damn thing up. It was a real story with pictures and everything, no BS. It was funny to read but I felt bad for the guy because, as you know, those things aren't cheap but he'd had it with his LR unit and their tech support so kaboom it went.

I've been using one model or another of Magnetospeed since they first came out with the very first MS and though they may not be perfect I've used them on everything from 17HMR to 338's and they accurately read velocity every single shot. The only time I had it malfunction was when I didn't push the plug on the cord all the way in on the brain part but that was 100% my fault.

I had a magnetospeed and was happy but couldn't use it with archery gear or pistols (auto). Decided on having only one and I'm sure half the problem is user error. I just need to be schooled on it or sit down and take time to read the manual and figure it out. Bought the trigger for it but the tripod seems to keep it too high when I shoot. I'll have to fine tune it for sure.

 

[284winner]

My use for the 134s will be strictly hunting. Not for competition. I've heard a lot of bad things with the Hornady bullets in competitions. They are still cheaper than most good bullets and for me how I use them, they are perfect.

 

[sapper299]

I finally got my hands on 3 boxes of the 134's. Shooting out of a 257 Roberts AI with a 1-7.5 twist, ~2930-2945fps (purposely loaded below max to save brass life). In my barrel, with my chamber, these shoot much better than the Berger 135 (either naked or HBN coated). I am very happy with how they perform and will hopefully feel the same after the regional Long Range match in Oak Ridge next week. If these perform at 1000yds, then I will probably buy another barrel but at 30" instead of 25".

Follow up on performance. Oak Ridge Regional 1000 yard match was this weekend. Saturday was great, Today was rain so we left. Performance was spot on if I did my part, enough to shoot inside my .284 Win. with much less recoil movement in the rest. I was reminded why we use heavy barrels for F class though. Since this was built more for PRS style long range, I went with a lighter contour barrel and around shot 14 in every string, it shifted POI 3/4 moa to the left. It maintained elevation spot on, just shifted left every string. No way to fix that, so I will be swapping to a straight 1.25" blank for F class. But the Hornadys shot MUCH better than Bergers in this barrel at 1000 yds. I think I will stick to the Hornadys from now on.

 

[SweaterDood]

There was a short period of time when the 110 TGK bullets were at a few online shops. They went pretty fast. I actually picked mine up from Sierra directly. They had a fair price on the 100 CT boxes. Here's a picture of the 134 ELD-M next to a Berger 133 Hybrid. Be heading to the range tomorrow to do some testing.

It appears that the 134 ELD-M will load longer by a significant margin, vs the BJ 131 and 133/135 Hybrids. The shorter boat tail confirms my assumptions on why there is a lower BC.

These will be very interesting out of the 25x47L, using the BJ reamer with 0.130” FB, since there is a lot of room left for loading to “mag length” in an AICS/AW style box mag. I also note that using H4350 with the other bullets, I begin to find compressed loads right as I near the desired velocity range (2820-2850). For NRL Hunter power factor, 2836fps is needed, minimum. So that extra room for another full grain of powder is welcome, against the penalty of needing +21fps more than the 135 hybrid requires. I assume these will run up to a 2870-2880fps node with the extra case capacity for a much better margin of error in drop on closer targets.

Excited to pick some up, now. As with all red box products, buy in bulk when you find a good lot #.

 

[SweaterDood]

My use for the 134s will be strictly hunting. Not for competition. I've heard a lot of bad things with the Hornady bullets in competitions. They are still cheaper than most good bullets and for me how I use them, they are perfect.

Some of the early ELD-Ms in the 6.5 cal had issues, but I understand those are long behind now. I run the 155 ELD-Ms hard, like 2900fps in a 20” .308, and have no issues. Maybe not enough RPM, but if I put a few of these 134s down the pipe of my QPC at 31xx FPS, with 1:7.5t we can find out quickly. From what I remember of the old reports on the 6.5 bullets, failures were more common than 1/100 rounds, and it was more like 1/10 shedded the jacket before 100yds.

 

[284winner]

Some of the early ELD-Ms in the 6.5 cal had issues, but I understand those are long behind now. I run the 155 ELD-Ms hard, like 2900fps in a 20” .308, and have no issues. Maybe not enough RPM, but if I put a few of these 134s down the pipe of my QPC at 31xx FPS, with 1:7.5t we can find out quickly. From what I remember of the old reports on the 6.5 bullets, failures were more common than 1/100 rounds, and it was more like 1/10 shedded the jacket before 100yds.

Never had issues with any ELDs. Got lucky I guess. I don't shoot competition really other than some local range events. I mainly use them for hunting or playing. They've been a better bullet (for me) than the Berger's have been on game.

 

[kochie]

Yes it is!

How about 25 06

 

[David Milisock]

Was looking at Sierra Reloading Manual awhile back and saw the load data for the 70 & 75 gr. bullet in a 25-06 Ackley Imp. I believe it was 3900 fps @ max. And who knows they could be sand bagging with their data. LOL. At any rate that is stroking it on down the road for a 75 gr bullet no doubt.

I push 75 grain 6mm at that speed. I don't compete but I'll tell you this that velocity is a big help with crows and chucks as wind conditions become variable. However rain can just blow them up mid flight.

 

[David Milisock]

I think our next project will be something 25 caliber (HOT) LOL.

I've got more 06 brass then God and two 03 actions waiting for me to make a decision, I might go with a custom throat on a 25-06.

 

[kochie]

I've got more 06 brass then God and two 03 actions waiting for me to make a decision, I might go with a custom throat on a 25-06.

Sounds like good idea Bill

 

[David Milisock]

Sounds like good idea Bill

That's the way talk me into it!!

 

[kochie]

That's the way talk me into it!!

Well good!!! Have fun with you new rig when you get it done.

 

[B23]

Anyone shoot anything with these new Hornady 25 caliber 134 ELD-M's yet and if so how did they perform for you?

ELD-M's generally perform on game pretty well so I'd imagine these new 25 cal 134's will too but it'd be nice to hear folks first hand experience with them.

 

[284winner]

Anyone shoot anything with these new Hornady 25 caliber 134 ELD-M's yet and if so how did they perform for you?

ELD-M's generally perform on game pretty well so I'd imagine these new 25 cal 134's will too but it'd be nice to hear folks first hand experience with them.

I'll be getting some going here soon. Plan on taking them on my Michigan deer hunt this year. Looking forward to the late doe season where I can stretch out the range to over 500 on a big doe

 

[B23]

I'll be getting some going here soon. Plan on taking them on my Michigan deer hunt this year. Looking forward to the late doe season where I can stretch out the range to over 500 on a big doe

At range, is where I believe this particular bullet will shine. Look forward to reading about your results.

 

[284winner]

At range, is where I believe this particular bullet will shine. Look forward to reading about your results.

I'm usually a one and done range guy. Go, get my velocities and drop data out to 800 yards at my personal range and once I know zero at all turret readings, it's time to kill. Not paper either. I'll post my results from the range and the field after I finish. Wish I'd have had the 134s for my Wyoming antelope hunt but they weren't out yet.

 

[ABC1000]

Hope it works out well. The berger 133/135 i hear aren’t great in regards to accuracy. I guess some get them to shoot ok but not great?

I’m not sure where you got that information from but the Berger 135s in my 25 Creedmoor are just under 1/3 MOA avg over the last 35+ groups. I have several groups in the .0s, a bunch in the .1s and if I’m on the rest in the .2s. About 1/3 of those groups were through the latter end of load development. Majority of those groups are @ 100 but 10-15 groups shot @ 2 or 300 yards, and several verifying out to 1k. I know several people with similar experiences with the 135s. I shoot the 133s in my ultralight 25SST hunting rig and don’t shoot that enough to really track but it’s a .5 minute gun or better all day even with a guy who’s not as used to shooting an ultralight rifle.

I’ve shot some of the 134s and they’re promising no doubt… who’s to say if they’ll be as accurate as the Bergers… my experience is that they won’t… but they won’t be far behind which makes them very appealing in the market for the difference in price. They seat longer than the Bergers and I plugged them in with my same 135 load and they did good.

That’s my experience for what it’s worth.

 

[284winner]

Not looking like I'll be trying this bullet out in deer before December. If someone gets to use this bullet on deer at beyond 400 yards, please post your results. My shots will be much less during the rifle season this year so I'm going with another bullet. I'll try them on the late doe season( December) out to 800 yards hopefully.

 

[B23]

Not looking like I'll be trying this bullet out in deer before December. If someone gets to use this bullet on deer at beyond 400 yards, please post your results. My shots will be much less during the rifle season this year so I'm going with another bullet. I'll try them on the late doe season( December) out to 800 yards hopefully.

On another forum there was a guy that shot a cow elk with the 134 and it looks to be pretty affective as a killer.