1000yd prarie dogs
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jghoghunter
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Sharps,
I haven't heard anyone here claiming "consistently" because there are alot of variables. I hope your not claiming that my yardages are wrong because they are taken with a gps. Unless you have a really expensive Leica your not getting any readings on dogs past 400 either. When I first started shooting 1k comp. I had no money for expensive scopes and I used a 20x leupy and could see the clay birds just fine. Also Kreg Slack and Bruce Artus were using a Bushnell 36x spotter and the guy could tell which way the dog was pointed. Granted I know the mirage and wind had to be just right for this to work but never the less it can be done. But if only you doughters would get out and give it a try you might find that you could learn something instead of running us who have done it or at least tried it down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't heard anyone here claiming "consistently" because there are alot of variables. I hope your not claiming that my yardages are wrong because they are taken with a gps. Unless you have a really expensive Leica your not getting any readings on dogs past 400 either. When I first started shooting 1k comp. I had no money for expensive scopes and I used a 20x leupy and could see the clay birds just fine. Also Kreg Slack and Bruce Artus were using a Bushnell 36x spotter and the guy could tell which way the dog was pointed. Granted I know the mirage and wind had to be just right for this to work but never the less it can be done. But if only you doughters would get out and give it a try you might find that you could learn something instead of running us who have done it or at least tried it down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is off the rack about a BAT Action, Broughton 5c barrel, and mouted into a Shehane or Joel russo stock? There are many people that have hit pdogs at 1000yrds. Not an easy task but very possible! If it was easy everybody would do it! Why attempt anything Extreme if anybody can do it! What would be the point! Even so if you took a REM or Savage action and had a smith as Accomplished as someone like Mike Byrant time and true the action I would have to say it is still very possible to hit a pdog at 1000yrd or futher! But then Again wonder How many ppl said that Bruce and Kregg couldn't accomplish what they did! Also 20x scopes are not the biggest thing out there. (Night Force 12x42) If you are on the prarie before day light and set up Mirage and wind will most likely be at a min. not for long but still that leaves a window of opportunity!!!!
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jghoghunter
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Little Story for you "REPETABLE AND CONSISTANT" fellows at a 1000 yds. Really you guys are going to love this!!
2 or 3 years ago my wife and my buddies 11 year old daughter went with to S.D. for our hunt. Will and I got set up on 2 mounds that we later gps'd at 1047 yds. We each killed a dog, so we ask my wife and his daugher if they wanted to try. Sure why not they said and they each sat down at the 2 rifles and my wife killed the 1st 2 that she shot at missed one and killed another. Megan missed 2 and shot the next 3.
Morale of the story if the conditions are right and you have good equipment it is possible to be repeatable and consistant at a 1000yds.
The guns we are using are capable of shooting 10 shots into 5" at 1000yds.
2 or 3 years ago my wife and my buddies 11 year old daughter went with to S.D. for our hunt. Will and I got set up on 2 mounds that we later gps'd at 1047 yds. We each killed a dog, so we ask my wife and his daugher if they wanted to try. Sure why not they said and they each sat down at the 2 rifles and my wife killed the 1st 2 that she shot at missed one and killed another. Megan missed 2 and shot the next 3.
Morale of the story if the conditions are right and you have good equipment it is possible to be repeatable and consistant at a 1000yds.
The guns we are using are capable of shooting 10 shots into 5" at 1000yds.
Sharps, it sounds like your short distance pd hunting reputation is hurting your business. I think you need to check with some other WELL KNOWN pd guide's and see what confirmed distance kills they have witnessed. Then maybe you can try to expand your distance ability and at the same time get more hunts, for then your reputation will be of one like the others. I hope this isn't to ruff on you, but if it is I understand. I have land in Wyoming and when I step off mine I'm on 33,000 acre of BLM property. I shoot verywell and may oneday come out and TAKE your MONEY. ;D I love the wind , my land is in the Windy Hill area...
jghoghunter
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Sharps what is this statement refering to?!sharps said:
Well Mr. Sharps, if you want to put your money where your mouth is I'd be happy to drive out there and show you how it's done. I have one of those off the rack 700 Remingtons but it's been trued up and has a Lilja barrel and a new stock. Plane old 20X Leupold scope and Jewell trigger. I'm not claiming I'll make every shot but I'll make enough of them to prove it ain't all luck.
I measure my range by GPS. Might be off a few feet one way or another.
I measure my range by GPS. Might be off a few feet one way or another.
Now I see the problem. You can't see. Perhaps you should see an eye doc if you can't see a prairie dog with a 20X scope. I use 8X40 Binoculars to spot prairie dog and have no trouble spotting them at 1000 yards plus. Wouldn't want to try shooting them at that distance with an 8X scope but I sure can see them. With a 20X scope, I have no problem at all. Maybe you doubters ought to get out from behind your computers and into the field where real people shoot. Ya'll might just learn something.
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I just had to join the fun. No, I do not have a kill at 1000 yards. Last I was out was 2 summers ago and only took 50 rounds .243 with me. With the spotting of my guide I only had 6 misses in the 540 to 560 range - these were the furthest mounds on the particular town.
Made bold by my sucess I then shot the same mounds with my store bought CZ527 in .223 and a $50 6x24 Tasco scope. Needless to say the hit ratio wasn't as good but if this $500 combo can do almost 600 yards, I am sure that I can break the 1000yard barier with my custom built 18# .243 and some really good glass.
I am very pleased to hear you got there with the 6BR - especially since I have started building one with a fast twist barrel just for long range shooting.
Made bold by my sucess I then shot the same mounds with my store bought CZ527 in .223 and a $50 6x24 Tasco scope. Needless to say the hit ratio wasn't as good but if this $500 combo can do almost 600 yards, I am sure that I can break the 1000yard barier with my custom built 18# .243 and some really good glass.
I am very pleased to hear you got there with the 6BR - especially since I have started building one with a fast twist barrel just for long range shooting.
Alf.1, Sharps,
Ok! So you both disagree that hitting prarie dogs at 1000yrds consistently is do able. Here is my argument. Below I have posted the link to gun of the week 88. It's the article on Charles Ballard's f class record. This is my question. Don't take offense to my question. I would like to hear your honset explanation as to why someone can't consistently make hits at 1000yrds. Here you have Charles Ballard it shows his target that was shot at 1000yrds. It's F class so he was laying prone and not shooting from a bench as many pdog hunter's do. Look at the target that he shot. there is 20 rnds into roughly a 5in" group. Also his score was a 200, 13x. So just for argument say. We'll exclude all the shots outside of the x ring being misses and all the x ring hits. So That would be 13hits and 7 misses. To me that is consistent. So why or how do you figure that someone can't consistently make hits on pdogs at 1000yrds? I'll give you credit on Bruce and Kregg's 3000yrd kill. Even they themselves state that their is a certain amount of luck at those ranges. Looking at the x ring that Charles Ballard put 13 shots into out of 20 at 1000yrds is close enough to the same kinda of accuracy that would make 13 kills out of 20 shots. Why is that not consistency? Again I'm looking for honest explantion not the sarcastic BS! I can do it You can't do it?
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek088.html
Ok! So you both disagree that hitting prarie dogs at 1000yrds consistently is do able. Here is my argument. Below I have posted the link to gun of the week 88. It's the article on Charles Ballard's f class record. This is my question. Don't take offense to my question. I would like to hear your honset explanation as to why someone can't consistently make hits at 1000yrds. Here you have Charles Ballard it shows his target that was shot at 1000yrds. It's F class so he was laying prone and not shooting from a bench as many pdog hunter's do. Look at the target that he shot. there is 20 rnds into roughly a 5in" group. Also his score was a 200, 13x. So just for argument say. We'll exclude all the shots outside of the x ring being misses and all the x ring hits. So That would be 13hits and 7 misses. To me that is consistent. So why or how do you figure that someone can't consistently make hits on pdogs at 1000yrds? I'll give you credit on Bruce and Kregg's 3000yrd kill. Even they themselves state that their is a certain amount of luck at those ranges. Looking at the x ring that Charles Ballard put 13 shots into out of 20 at 1000yrds is close enough to the same kinda of accuracy that would make 13 kills out of 20 shots. Why is that not consistency? Again I'm looking for honest explantion not the sarcastic BS! I can do it You can't do it?
http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek088.html
jghoghunter
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Deadly,
You might as well give up. If there too lazy to get out and try it there's no reason for you to try and justify it as we can see by the 54 post we've made. They must be calling Bruce and Kreg lyers also and they've made the shots with people as whitnesses. So they know all. I guess we doers better start bowing down to the none believers. Alf.1 and Sharps all I can say is you people make it hard to want to help people asking for it. I like to say something else but I will keep my mouth shut.
You might as well give up. If there too lazy to get out and try it there's no reason for you to try and justify it as we can see by the 54 post we've made. They must be calling Bruce and Kreg lyers also and they've made the shots with people as whitnesses. So they know all. I guess we doers better start bowing down to the none believers. Alf.1 and Sharps all I can say is you people make it hard to want to help people asking for it. I like to say something else but I will keep my mouth shut.
jghoghunter,johnmyers said:
You are right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So lets get back to the original topic. (Johnmyers) I love the little 6br rnd! How ever I'm not sure it is the best cal. for 1000yrd killing. Capable Probably? I do not have a 1000yrd kill nor close to that under my belt. Looking at facts and what other experience shooters have told me. I have settled on the 6.5x47 Lapua for my needs. The 6 dasher was the top runner against the 6.5x47 lapua. I'm building on a BAT B Action. I may build a 6 dasher in the furture or purchase a good used one! The 6 Dasher is very interesting to me! I just don't want to have to deal with all the fire forming that comes with the dasher for varmint hunting. Thats a lot more work to fire form an prep to take to the prarie than I want to do. So I at this point have chossen the 6.5x47 lapua. Expensive yes but less work on loading 500 or more rounds. for my quest! Plus there is better bullets with the 6.5 than the 6mm. BC wise! I think I may do a cpl of dasher barrels for my 6br. and turn it into a switch barrel. There seems to be a lot of loading technigues to learn with the dasher that can only improve my skills elsewhere at the least!
Thanks
Deadlyswift
deadlyswift
Thanks for getting back on my original thread with your thoughts on the 6br. I agree with you that the 6br might not be the best at long range just wondered if anyone had tried. Too bad this thread had to turn in to all the argument. Those of us who can get hits at 1000yds plus know what we can do so there is no reason to stoop to the mentality of those who think it is not possible even though I want to unload on them.
Thanks for getting back on my original thread with your thoughts on the 6br. I agree with you that the 6br might not be the best at long range just wondered if anyone had tried. Too bad this thread had to turn in to all the argument. Those of us who can get hits at 1000yds plus know what we can do so there is no reason to stoop to the mentality of those who think it is not possible even though I want to unload on them.
Ackman
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The launch and explosion is my fun, I don't care about shooting them at 1000yds. But Sharps and Alf1, you're making yourselves look foolish. I can range something at 1100yds through the Leica and easily see a pd sized thing. And that's with only a small 7X monocular. Doesn't mean I'd care about shooting at it, but even with 7x it's definitely visible enough to take a shot.
Years ago a long feature article ran in two different magazines about a pd trip. It was mostly great detail about some guy finally getting his 100yd prairie dog. It only took this guy 72, and he thought it was quite the achievement....worth bragging and an article. Only 72 shots. I doubt this guy was much of a shooter but probably about like most. And Sharps/Alf1, that's probably you. But there are people who do it much easier, not many, but they exist. I sure wouldn't be calling BS on guys here who say they do it. Or why don't you just put your money with your mouth and find out. Just saying no makes you look stupid.
Years ago a long feature article ran in two different magazines about a pd trip. It was mostly great detail about some guy finally getting his 100yd prairie dog. It only took this guy 72, and he thought it was quite the achievement....worth bragging and an article. Only 72 shots. I doubt this guy was much of a shooter but probably about like most. And Sharps/Alf1, that's probably you. But there are people who do it much easier, not many, but they exist. I sure wouldn't be calling BS on guys here who say they do it. Or why don't you just put your money with your mouth and find out. Just saying no makes you look stupid.
johnmeyers, I shoot a 6-250AI in Fclass, have never owned a 6br. I have shot against some at 1000yds that were definatly capable of flippin a pdog at that range. It will take some load development and a good shooter but very do-able.
the only pdog I shot at that was close to that range(didnt have a range finder but we stepped it off at over 900yds) lived to tell about it. The most accurate rifle I had with me was a 223. I gave him about 20 rounds before he quit popping up. Kicked dirt in his face a few times, knocked him off the mound twice but he survived.
Steve
the only pdog I shot at that was close to that range(didnt have a range finder but we stepped it off at over 900yds) lived to tell about it. The most accurate rifle I had with me was a 223. I gave him about 20 rounds before he quit popping up. Kicked dirt in his face a few times, knocked him off the mound twice but he survived.
Steve
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