100 yard (real world) repeatable accuracy for 22 LR

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Actually my suggestion was made to avoid wasting ammo, but maybe there's a better way to skin the cat.

You want to tune with your best lot, to do otherwise would be total frustration. with 200 rds. you should be able to find a tune, in which you can work with and fine tune.
the ARA sighter is to give reference on the size of that group, shot with SKRM


Lee

 

[seymour fish]

In regards to the question “what is the real word repeatable accuracy of a 22lr @ 100 yards”

My personal requirement for a top end rimfire rifle is 100% consistent sub 3/4 MOA or less. Over the years I have owned many rifles that would do this very easily. Please keep in mind that I am talking about how I shoot my rifles on decent days, if the wind is gusting and switching over 5 MPH or the air temperature is below 25f-32f the game changes. Also an important note I am not shooting factory rifles, they are all custom built with no expense spared shooting premium ammo. I have only owned 1 factory but rifle that would hold this level of accuracy, a Sauer 200 STR with the Sauer 22lr conversion.

Oh, I also only shoot prone off a bipod and light weight TAB rear bag. I may be limiting my rifles by doing this but I’m not a benchrest shooter...

Jesse, I agree and share your standard for prone/bipod/rear bag. Off a bench, if the system is capable of 0.25”-0.5” groups routinely at 100 in ideal conditions, and will “follow the wind” appropriately, it is a delight, and a wonderful tool for learning the art. Seymour

 

[RallyFan]

I’m shooting an Anschütz 2013 in our local club Benchrest competitions, but to be fair it is really my close on F-Class training rifle that’s mostly shot prone.

The competition card is based on an upscaled 50 Benchrest target set, but we shoot at 100 yards with 10 rounds to score. This was with RWS R50 for a SEB Neo machine rest.

The other target shows 2x 5 shot groups at 100 yards (not meters as it states on the target). This was with Lapua Center-X, bipod, no rear bag.

The biggest thing that makes a difference for my rig is controlling torque on the stock to action interface, and the damping if the surface the rifle rests on.

 

[SEB-USA]

Beautiful Set-up!!!

 

[Tommie]

I owned an Anschutz 64 sporter that was a reliable 1” shooter with its favorite ammo. Why oh why did I sell it???

 

[jbell]

There are a few good threads talking about rimfire @ 100 yards over on the Snipers Hide in the rimfire section. I kinda manage one thread with a LOT of data on the subject called the 6X5, but there are a few others as well. I started a 5X10 thread but there wasn’t much interest in it, I guess there are not many people looking to shoot 50 consecutive rounds at 100 yards with a 22lr. I shot this target for that thread, 50 consecutive rounds including the cold bore (noted in the top left target), 5 groups of 10 rounds shot prone off a bipod and a TAB rear bag. It was shot by my Anschutz with a Benchmark barrel and Eley Match.



Here is the set up I used to shoot this target. The wind was not too bad that day, and I was mostly able to stay on top of it. I am sure the rifle can do better with a proper rest and a good shooter, but I thought it may be an example of what I was talking about in my earlier post in this thread.

 

[Redd]

I also compete, once sometimes twice a month in Smallbore F Class matches using the required A-50/51 and A-33 metric targets and routinely score 1190+ with an X count > 60!

 

[86alaskan]

Your Tikka T1X is up to the task. On occasion I use Lapua Polar Biathlon ammo in mine for more serious competition work. With consistent forward pressure to drive the gun, It'll do 1" or better consistently. I've found that the loading is extremely important due to the amount of time it takes for a 22lr bullet to leave the barrel. You can free recoil a HP because the dwell time in the barrel is so low. On the other hand, I believe that the recoil begins to act on the rifle before the 22lr bullet exits the barrel. If you have a good lot of good ammo and control the rifle properly, I'm sure that Tikka will deliver.

 

[TTLongRifle]

For RF I use two Kimber 82G's purchased from CMP. One is configured with a Weaver T Series scope on steel rings and the trigger has been adjusted to a light pull. Using Fiocchi 320SM on a Hart/Sinclair front rest and a standard leather rear bag AVERAGED groups of 0.177" over one Sunday a month (five targets of five shots keep the best one) for eight months (average the best four) at 50 yards. Using the other rifle with the Australian iron sights that are standard and a smaller front insert with the same equipment and ammunition PLUS wind flags I'm able to land every shot in the 9 ring, most in the 10 ring and occasionally get one or two X's at 100 yards. To me these are fine rifles. One of them had a 'scratch' in the stock according to CMP but the armorer there told me if it turned out to be a crack he'd get me a replacement. Several years later is separated and he asked me if we were in a hurry and said no. He took his time and one day the most beautiful walnut burl stock I've ever seen arrived. CMP is run by good people.

 

[Dryfly24]

There’s not much to add but assuming your rifle/Ammo/rest combo is up to task, it’s ALL about the wind and your ability read it, and your own bench technique and your ability to hold consistently.

Most people focus almost entirely on the equipment never really thinking about just how important that last part is. Focus on yourself with what you have until you are absolutely sure you have perfected your technique and ability to read the conditions, and then you’ll be far more able to take advantage of new, improved equipment.

I did this. Once I noticed I had pretty much gone as far as I could with what I had, I again started hunting around for better rifles, optics, rests, etc...

A lot of guys try to buy in to this game but If you aren’t up to the task, you’re basically throwing money away. All the new stuff isn’t going to make up for improper bench technique or inability to read conditions.

edited to add, I’m not just blowing smoke. I see guys with very expensive stuff get their asses handed to them by guys with much cheaper rifles, rests and optics. It’s because they can use what they have to their full potential, whereas the guys with good stuff can’t.

 

[Dryfly24]

View attachment 1143724 View attachment 1143725 View attachment 1143726 View attachment 1143727 View attachment 1143724 I’m shooting an Anschütz 2013 in our local club Benchrest competitions, but to be fair it is really my close on F-Class training rifle that’s mostly shot prone.

The competition card is based on an upscaled 50 Benchrest target set, but we shoot at 100 yards with 10 rounds to score. This was with RWS R50 for a SEB Neo machine rest.

The other target shows 2x 5 shot groups at 100 yards (not meters as it states on the target). This was with Lapua Center-X, bipod, no rear bag.

The biggest thing that makes a difference for my rig is controlling torque on the stock to action interface, and the damping if the surface the rifle rests on.

Those pics should be used in Anschutz and SEB adds! Very nice...

 

[RallyFan]

Those pics should be used in Anschutz and SEB adds! Very nice...

Thanks

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

There’s not much to add but assuming your rifle/Ammo/rest combo is up to task, it’s ALL about the wind and your ability read it, and your own bench technique and your ability to hold consistently.

Most people focus almost entirely on the equipment never really thinking about just how important that last part is. Focus on yourself with what you have until you are absolutely sure you have perfected your technique and ability to read the conditions, and then you’ll be far more able to take advantage of new, improved equipment.

I did this. Once I noticed I had pretty much gone as far as I could with what I had, I again started hunting around for better rifles, optics, rests, etc...

A lot of guys try to buy in to this game but If you aren’t up to the task, you’re basically throwing money away. All the new stuff isn’t going to make up for improper bench technique or inability to read conditions.

edited to add, I’m not just blowing smoke. I see guys with very expensive stuff get their asses handed to them by guys with much cheaper rifles, rests and optics. It’s because they can use what they have to their full potential, whereas the guys with good stuff can’t.

I agree somewhat on what you are saying, the best equipment won't make an automatic win. you need to develop the skill to use it and with that I will also say trying to learn the skills will be frustrating with poor shooting equipment. at best a consistent predictable shooting rifle, if it can shoot 1/2" all day then at least you know what you have, I see and hear too much don't understand what happened I was getting sub-1/4" now it won't group for nothing.
if you are completely confident it will put it inside a 1/2" you can learn to adjust for conditions, but if it is inconsistent then good luck figuring if it was the call or the rifle.

Lee

 

[1813benny]

Those pics should be used in Anschutz and SEB adds! Very nice...

That isn't a SEB rest......

 

[Dryfly24]

That isn't a SEB rest......

If that isn’t a Seb Neo I’d sure like to know what it is? I don’t know f Seb has a copyright but that sure looks like an infringement if they do...

 

[Dryfly24]

I agree somewhat on what you are saying, the best equipment won't make an automatic win. you need to develop the skill to use it and with that I will also say trying to learn the skills will be frustrating with poor shooting equipment. at best a consistent predictable shooting rifle, if it can shoot 1/2" all day then at least you know what you have, I see and hear too much don't understand what happened I was getting sub-1/4" now it won't group for nothing.
if you are completely confident it will put it inside a 1/2" you can learn to adjust for conditions, but if it is inconsistent then good luck figuring if it was the call or the rifle.

Lee

I agree, which is why my first sentence was “assuming your rifle/Ammo/Rest is up to task”. . .

 

[RallyFan]

View attachment 1159749

If that isn’t a Seb Neo I’d sure like to know what it is? I don’t know f Seb has a copyright but that sure looks like an infringement if they do...

It is a SEB Neo.
Lovely piece of engineering

An old picture (scope has been replaced) of using it at Bisley at 300 yards.

 

[Dryfly24]

It is a SEB Neo.
Lovely piece of engineering

An old picture (scope has been replaced) of using it at Bisley at 300 yards.

Rally Fan, I know. I have one just like it. Beautiful piece of kit. I was responding to 1813benny. He said it wasn’t.

 

[natdscott]

Use better ammo or use a tuner.

Asking a .22LR to turn in 1” aggs at 100 yards is not unreasonable for Match barrels and Eley Black or better, but it’s not easy.

 

[kzin]

View attachment 1143724 View attachment 1143725 View attachment 1143726 View attachment 1143727 View attachment 1143724 I’m shooting an Anschütz 2013 in our local club Benchrest competitions, but to be fair it is really my close on F-Class training rifle that’s mostly shot prone.

The competition card is based on an upscaled 50 Benchrest target set, but we shoot at 100 yards with 10 rounds to score. This was with RWS R50 for a SEB Neo machine rest.

The other target shows 2x 5 shot groups at 100 yards (not meters as it states on the target). This was with Lapua Center-X, bipod, no rear bag.

The biggest thing that makes a difference for my rig is controlling torque on the stock to action interface, and the damping if the surface the rifle rests on.

Between the gear, background and lighting that top picture is awesome!