1,000 Yard Factory Rifle For Less Than $1,000?

[urbanrifleman]

Thanks, good to hear. The guys on Savageshooters.com have made some comments concerning 6.5 Creedmoor specific ejection issues. The higher end Savage target rifles may indeed have less issues than the more budget lines, specifically Axis.

And why would a 6.5 creedmoor have an issue over say, a 308 or 243? Since Savage made about a zillion of those?

Just curious. Since the extraction rim is the same. The cartridge length is similar, etc. Savage also made a zillion 22-250 which is nearly identical.

 

[Bottom Fodder]

Looks like Savage is the most named brand, caliber could be a personal choice and maybe based on which you can get the most suited for your needs.

 

[SSchnd]

The 6.5cm Axis II Precision I have has zero extraction and or ejection issues regardless if I drag the bolt back for easy case handling ejection or if I run the bolt it’ll Chuck any case wether it’s a Lapua Hornady or Win
It shoots extremely well with Lapua SRP
My PRS buddy was shocked at how the bolt ran and slick
It’s not a Kelbly or Panda but he was surprised nonetheless
YMMV

 

[Turkeytider]

And why would a 6.5 creedmoor have an issue over say, a 308 or 243? Since Savage made about a zillion of those?

Just curious. Since the extraction rim is the same. The cartridge length is similar, etc. Savage also made a zillion 22-250 which is nearly identical.

That would be a technical question for the boys on Savageshooters.com.

 

[Turkeytider]

And why would a 6.5 creedmoor have an issue over say, a 308 or 243? Since Savage made about a zillion of those?

Just curious. Since the extraction rim is the same. The cartridge length is similar, etc. Savage also made a zillion 22-250 which is nearly identical.

I`m trying to recollect what they said, For some reason, it sticks in my head that they said that it had something to do with the configuration of the 6.5 CM cartridge vis a vis other calibers (?). Then again, my powers of recollection at 76 ain`t what they used to be!! I just know that I`ve had zero extraction/ejection issues with my Savage .223s.

 

[spudgun]

I`m trying to recollect what they said, For some reason, it sticks in my head that they said that it had something to do with the configuration of the 6.5 CM cartridge vis a vis other calibers (?). Then again, my powers of recollection at 76 ain`t what they used to be!! I just know that I`ve had zero extraction/ejection issues with my Savage .223s.

You maybe right. On all 3 of my savage actions I replaced the spring and ejector ball to the larger size .040".

I notice that during a slow extraction that the brass will come partly out of the chamber and then cock to the right when the neck clears and goes into the locking lug area. That is where it is either going to eject of drop back into the feed ramp.

If done quick enough then it will eject out of the action if not then I need to dig it out with my finger.

 

[ebb]

I remember getting lectured about how Savages were superior to all other brands, and being showed the two brand new 308 caliber Savages they had just bought. Then about 30 minutes later seeing them beat the brass out with a cleaning rod on both of them. I think once you fix one with the new extractor parts they do all right. But thats all of them not just the 6.5 Creedmoor. Seems odd after all these years they haven't ever fixed it. But those guns lost the ball the first trip to the range, they pulled cases just fine till the fell apart.

 

[Turkeytider]

I remember getting lectured about how Savages were superior to all other brands, and being showed the two brand new 308 caliber Savages they had just bought. Then about 30 minutes later seeing them beat the brass out with a cleaning rod on both of them. I think once you fix one with the new extractor parts they do all right. But thats all of them not just the 6.5 Creedmoor. Seems odd after all these years they haven't ever fixed it. But those guns lost the ball the first trip to the range, they pulled cases just fine till the fell apart.

I don`t know, "all of them " is a pretty sweeping generalization. I know for a fact mine have no issues with extraction/ejection after hundreds of rounds. I`m specifically referring to a Model 110 and a higher end Model 12 LRPV and not " budget " Axis models. I do, however, agree and wonder why Savage Arms apparently ignores a long standing issue that contributes to customer dissatisfaction. Customers should not have to put after market extractor kits in new rifles, especially when the fix is so well known.

 

[Dgd6mm]

You maybe right. On all 3 of my savage actions I replaced the spring and ejector ball to the larger size .040".

I notice that during a slow extraction that the brass will come partly out of the chamber and then cock to the right when the neck clears and goes into the locking lug area. That is where it is either going to eject of drop back into the feed ramp.

If done quick enough then it will eject out of the action if not then I need to dig it out with my finger.

The ball goes under the extractor. Your problem is the ejector. Savage has a new ejector that has been out for a while now. It has a leg on it that goes down thru the spring which keeps the spring from bottoming out and weakening.
I just took a stripped bolthead the other day put new parts in it, installed it on a bolt, then headspaced a barrel onto an action. Matter of fact, bolt and action is the very first Savage I ever bought. It started life has a
22-250 now it sporting a 20" .223 HV barrel on it.
You can even make a Savage action eject a 6br round if you know what to do.
I've owned over 20 Savage rifles, probably closer to 30. I haven't kept up with them all but I bet all or most are still in service today.
We take them to Wyoming every year and shoot pdogs with them, they haven't let us down yet. One little thing I do know, mechanical things either break, wear down, or leave the factory faulty.
Mass produced anything does it a bad batch of something and before you know it, it's too late, the public has it and the companies get thrown under the bus without a chance to redeem themselves.
The internet is a fast and moving demon to ruin decent reputations.

 

[Turkeytider]

It is a law of nature, akin to gravity. If you want to ensure that an original part never fails.....buy a spare.

 

[jcm800]

If you have $1000 to spend on a rifle, save up a few hundred more and shop around for a used custom.

 

[Turkeytider]

If you have $1000 to spend on a rifle, save up a few hundred more and shop around for a used custom.

Since I`ve not done that before, where`s the best source for " used custom " rifles?

 

[jcm800]

Since I`ve not done that before, where`s the best source for " used custom " rifles?

Guns International would be my first choice. No bidding nonsense like gun broker
Bob White, classifieds on here

 

[Dgd6mm]

If you have $1000 to spend on a rifle, save up a few hundred more and shop around for a used custom.

I like this suggestion in one way, but in another way isn't it a little redundant for factory ammo?
I didn't say completely.

 

[ebb]

Donny i as right as he can be, finding a factory loaded cartridge that has a high BC bullet that works with the twist of your rifle and is loaded to some degree of precision, may be close to impossible. A lot of the responders have hinted to the fact that the rifle has a lot less to do with hits at 1000 yds than load . bullet BC, amount of adjustment in the scope and some cant in the base.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Picked up this new hall, jewell, 308 w/ custom dies recently for $1500. Loaded some new lapua brass w/ varget and a 168 smk, pretty much the same as a federal 168 smk factory load. Mounted a cheap 10x scope that i had laying around and shot this. Have a sightron 10x50 coming for it. Shop around deals are out there.

I know they are. I just happened to do better than yours. Mine was $500. and a Ruger 44mag that I purchased for $200.
My Hall came in 6mm Competition Match Jewell trigger custom die, 20 moa base, 12lbs of H1000, Lapua brass. Kreiger 30" H Palma barrel threaded for a brake. Nice laminated br stock. 200 rounds were down the barrel. It shoots 115 DTAC's into bugholes.
I get your point and figured your response was going to be just what it was.
Kudos for you for picking up a very nice rig.

 

[spudgun]

You maybe right. On all 3 of my savage actions I replaced the spring and ejector ball to the larger size .040".

I notice that during a slow extraction that the brass will come partly out of the chamber and then cock to the right when the neck clears and goes into the locking lug area. That is where it is either going to eject of drop back into the feed ramp.

If done quick enough then it will eject out of the action if not then I need to dig it out with my finger.

The ball goes under the extractor. Your problem is the ejector. Savage has a new ejector that has been out for a while now. It has a leg on it that goes down thru the spring which keeps the spring from bottoming out and weakening.

I replaced the spring and ejector ball to the larger size .040".
^^^^^^^^ My bad, meant extractor NOT ejector...

I have replaced the ejector spring and plunger. It did have the leg that went down into the spring.

Thanks for pointing that out...

 

[jcm800]

Dgd6mm you should feel bad, you stole it.....lol nice score none the less.

 

[Turkeytider]

Donny i as right as he can be, finding a factory loaded cartridge that has a high BC bullet that works with the twist of your rifle and is loaded to some degree of precision, may be close to impossible. A lot of the responders have hinted to the fact that the rifle has a lot less to do with hits at 1000 yds than load . bullet BC, amount of adjustment in the scope and some cant in the base.

So ebb, are you asserting that one should not expect to find a factory load in 6.5 Creedmoor that can reliably hit a steel target at 1,000 yards? Or maybe I`ve misunderstood your post?

 

[drover]

My range has gongs out to a mile and one-half, it has a very active group of long range shooters. any decent day you can find some of them banging steel at anywhere from 500 yards out to the 1 &1/2 mile gong.

Their equipment ranges from the $1000 Savage BR to $7000 full-custom rifles. If there is any difference in the hits it is usually the shooter rather than the rifle,.
I am a good friend with one of the top shooters and he is using a Savage BR in 6BR and out to a 1000 yards he hits as often as the guys with the full-customs. One thing that all of the shooters have in common is that they all use high-dollar, reliable scopes.
It brings to mind the saying - its the indian not the arrow.

Starting with the Savage gives you a chance to learn and something relatively easy to sell should you decide that you want a custom.

For the price this one seems like a no-brainer to me. Disclaimer - Ihave no connection with the seller, just supplying the link - https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/savage-12-br-norma.4112874/