I've stumbled across maybe 100 or more cases of this made from Lapua 6BR brass. Who was behind this experiment? Anyone have experience with one or something similar?
.22 BR Short???
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A 6mm TallDog was a replacement for 6 ppc when brass was not available.
I think most were .080" shorter than a BR??
Fred Hasacuster is the primary name I hear most frequently as the father of the cartridge.... but I do not know that to be a fact.
Maybe somebody necked some TallDogs down to 22?
Just spit-balling here.
CW
I think most were .080" shorter than a BR??
Fred Hasacuster is the primary name I hear most frequently as the father of the cartridge.... but I do not know that to be a fact.
Maybe somebody necked some TallDogs down to 22?
Just spit-balling here.
CW
thekriebles
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I believe Randy Robinette started a 22 BR Short .200" called the 22 Idiot Mag a/k/a 22 SBR (Short Benchrest).
And I believe George Ulrich had a hand in the 22 BR Short .250"
The 22 BR Short .100" has been referred to as a 22 BRAT, and the 22 BR Short .150" is the 22 Small Dog by Ron Roberts in early 1990's.
And I believe George Ulrich had a hand in the 22 BR Short .250"
The 22 BR Short .100" has been referred to as a 22 BRAT, and the 22 BR Short .150" is the 22 Small Dog by Ron Roberts in early 1990's.
The .250 short 22 br gives the same case capacity as a walldog
STS
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True, but you had to have a finger transplant from a three year old child to get ahold of that short little thing. But they did shoot pretty good.
Wow!
The.22BR minus 0.200-0.250" are great cartridges - just more work than most enjoy . . . "back in the day",
most of us WERE experimenters. Still, most of the usable experimenting had been accomplished - excluding the war years - between 1900 and 1947. After about '47, "things (particularly bullets) got better."
RG
most of us WERE experimenters. Still, most of the usable experimenting had been accomplished - excluding the war years - between 1900 and 1947. After about '47, "things (particularly bullets) got better."
RGELR LVR
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I've developed a 22-250 / -.250" short
Lot of work, but it turned out to be worth it
I took a good shooting 22-250 Hart barreled rifle and used it to experiment on
this was my version of a "Poor Man's 22 PPC"
effectively duplicating the case capacity (approx 30 grns of ball)
Poor mans, because you can use a .473 Boltface, not need anything custom or special
run the 22-250 reamer in short, trim the FL die down, trim the base of the brass smaller
take about 5 steps to form the brass
But my gosh is it an accurate no recoil pleasure to shoot.
and slightly longer so easier to pick up and handle than a 22 BR short
About same length as a 7.62x39 case
I already have 22 BR's and wanted to see if I could come up with something to compete next to
a 22 PPC, but without having to use custom anything.
It worked. So well in fact I took one of my good shooting 22 BR's and rechambered it for my 22-250 Short
Just something fun to play with ya know.
Lot of work, but it turned out to be worth it
I took a good shooting 22-250 Hart barreled rifle and used it to experiment on
this was my version of a "Poor Man's 22 PPC"
effectively duplicating the case capacity (approx 30 grns of ball)
Poor mans, because you can use a .473 Boltface, not need anything custom or special
run the 22-250 reamer in short, trim the FL die down, trim the base of the brass smaller
take about 5 steps to form the brass
But my gosh is it an accurate no recoil pleasure to shoot.
and slightly longer so easier to pick up and handle than a 22 BR short
About same length as a 7.62x39 case
I already have 22 BR's and wanted to see if I could come up with something to compete next to
a 22 PPC, but without having to use custom anything.
It worked. So well in fact I took one of my good shooting 22 BR's and rechambered it for my 22-250 Short
Just something fun to play with ya know.
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Randy,The.22BR minus 0.200-0.250" are great cartridges - just more work than most enjoy . . . "back in the day",
most of us WERE experimenters. Still, most of the usable experimenting had been accomplished - excluding the war years - between 1900 and 1947. After about '47, "things (particularly bullets) got better."
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What velocity would you run the Curdog at?
My WalDog really likes 3520-3530 ish with 52gr Bib's.
CW
With certainty, I cannot say - seldom chronograph the point-blank stuff - probably about 3250-3300 FPS.
Best load was 26.0 Gr./Brigadier 3032/CCI BR-4/52Gr. FB. At one time, I had 120 Lb (15 eight # jugs) of the 3032 . . . down to only about 1/2 jug.
I may chronograph the .220x30* Russian - it's WalDog capacity, without the forming . . .
Gene Beggs' 22Beggs is a somewhat more user friendly .220 Russian, as he tweaked the radiuses at both body:shoulder and shoulder:neck and reduced the case lengthening issue. RG
OldM1shooter -
Howdy !
Well.....
Som years ago, I formed a new 6mm wildcat on fore-shortend .35Remington brass.
A chamber for this wildcat can be cut by running a 6mm Remington reamer in
" short ".... to the point where the base diam of a .35 Remington can be accomodated.
Case capacity is between that of a 6PPC, and a 6BR.
.35 Remington is compatible w/ the .308 bolt
I had one of THE very first .22BR bench guns out there. My initial batch of cases were formed from LR primed .308 brass. My second batch of .22BR cases were formed from a clutch of cases Fred Sinclair had gotten from Mike Walker @ Remington. These cases had no head stamp, and likewise die not have any broached or drilled primer pockets.
When Fred had me over to the shop to give me the cases, he asked me whether I wanted SR or LR primer pockets. Since I already had new .22BR cases w/ LR primer pockets in-hand, I asked Fred to set the new Remington BR up for SR primers.
When I got the first opportunity for range testing my new .22BR, I did a run-off to see whether one primer size gave better accuracy than the other. I loaded all test cases with the same powder/charge wt, and bullets. As it turned out, in my gun shooting my loads.... both primer size cases put bullets into the same small group. The bias of using SR primed cases ( 6PPC example ) for shooting short range benchrest was only just beginning to form, back then.
.35 Remington is LR primed but.... that is not a death sentence on useful accuracy.
NOTE: 6mm wildcat case shown, has not yet been given an outside neck turning;
and had not been fire formed.
With regards,
357Mag
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The current 100 yd. HV 5 shot group record a Tacoma Rifle and Revolver club is held by a short version
( I'm not sure which) of 22 BR at .032". It was shot in 1996 by the late Tom Dickson. He shot 4 shots and the condition changed, so he waited, an put the last one right in the hole. I know all this 'cause I was on the bench right next to Tom and saw it all play out. The last shot just made the previous 4 'flick' when it went thru the hole! Yep the short 22BR can work!
FWIW
Steve Kostanich
( I'm not sure which) of 22 BR at .032". It was shot in 1996 by the late Tom Dickson. He shot 4 shots and the condition changed, so he waited, an put the last one right in the hole. I know all this 'cause I was on the bench right next to Tom and saw it all play out. The last shot just made the previous 4 'flick' when it went thru the hole! Yep the short 22BR can work!
FWIW
Steve Kostanich
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