NRA core mission effectiveness

[D Coots]

Putting aside the political issues, my experiences have left me feeling underwhelmed (and that's being kind).

As someone new to NRL competitions, I had to wait an entire year for my classification to be revised to HM, and I received no assistance when I called with questions about the rules. While they have no problem sending me donation requests—that part of their system works perfectly fine—everything else seems poorly managed. Other competitive associations prioritize serving their customers, but the NRL seems to view me as just a donor rather than a valued customer.

If I managed my companies as the NRL manages theirs, I would have gone out of business in the first year.

I've seen many of the same complaints towards the freedom benchrest organization.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I'm still trying to figure out how to discuss the "core effectiveness" of the NRA (whose main function is to lobby the government) without being *political".

There may have been a time that the NRA was not primarily a lobbyist organization, but in my adult years that is absolutely what it has represented itself as being. I remember asking for money for gun rights and printing a magazine. That was about it.

I don't want to be accused of political posts on this forum, and I have no desire to discuss "politics". But the NRA is political. That is it's main function. Or it was. I'm not sure what it does now.

 

[rfwind]

NRA sends a mailing EVERY month that my membership is expiring. Yet, it takes 2 months to get my renewal card after I send my payment. That’s a lot of resources wasted and an example of mismanagement.
The only reason I retain my membership is that most clubs and matches require it.

 

[GetReal]

I'm still trying to figure out how to discuss the "core effectiveness" of the NRA (whose main function is to lobby the government) without being *political".

NRA has 2 components:

(1) NRA ILA

(2) All the actual gun related stuff

But yeah... NRA is political .

Im hoping the prohibition against politics is Repub vs. Dems, elections, Congress, taxation etc.

 

[Fuj]

I don't want to be accused of political posts on this forum, and I have no desire to discuss "politics". But the NRA is political. That is it's main function. Or it was. I'm not sure what it does now.

With the NRA and the way it evolved, there is no getting around it not being
political. Lobbying is political. Just no getting around it. We can gripe at
board members that have colluded but, how many members of congress
had their hands greased. That's the dirty side of lobbying, but also the truth.
And it's not peanut, pocket change money......Needs more then a house cleaning,
Pour a new footer, and start laying new block.....

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

NRA became unrecognizable compared to 1960s version. Mom, apple pie, and teaching young kids to shoot w 22 rifles at camp. I remember buying Sears or Mohawk 22 ammo and going out w a buddy with his single shot Remington bolt gun. I don't remember how much a box of 22 ammo cost in 1967 but it was pretty cheap!!

 

[D Coots]

NRA sends a mailing EVERY month that my membership is expiring. Yet, it takes 2 months to get my renewal card after I send my payment. That’s a lot of resources wasted and an example of mismanagement.
The only reason I retain my membership is that most clubs and matches require it.

Life member here. I notified them years ago to quit sending all the crap, magazine also. It went something like....if you have money to waste on all this crap, you won't be getting anymore of mine.

Mission accomplished.

The only time I get anything is when the voting magazine comes.

Later

Dave

 

[ronsatspokane]

Firearms are not political. They don't care what direction an individual owner is bent. Likewise, the Bill of Rights is not political. The rights enumerated under the bill of rights that were enshrined in our founding documents are individual rights that all citizens enjoy regardless of what direction a particular individual individual is bent.

A problem arises however when a particular group believes that all or another select group of individuals should not have one or more of the rights enumerated in our founding documents. When said group is large enough to leverage political power to force their beliefs on others, we cross the line into politics. That is were we find ourselves today. The points of contention will remain political until resolved by the courts. It will take decades for many of the infringements on our rights to reach the SCOTUS and in the meantime the group that believes in eliminating or limiting individual rights continue to pass local and state laws that are in direct conflict with the Constitution. They do so with reckless abandon. The sad thing is that many members of that group (including some members of the SCOTUS) believe that the Constitution itself should be abandoned.

And this is where the NRA comes into play. They have received a lot of money over the years to represent our 2A rights and manage activities surrounding 2A. That money appears to have been squandered. So the question is, is the NRA political? So far it seems that they are. Given empirical evidence they seem to be on the side trying to eliminate our 2A rights.

 

[c3d4b2]

Ya mean landmark US Supreme Court cases like
DC vs Heller which overturned the DC gun ban

Contrary to their post ruling comments, the NRA was not part of the Heller case.

https://fedsoc-cms-public.s3.amazonaws.com/update/pdf/XaixaVaK662iuLmR0z2WiQYxNEwuA6lI3CAZT5BD.pdf

The info starts on page 30.

I was also able to find the referance where the NRA caused a constitutional carry bill to not pass in New Hampshire back in 2011.

https://gundigest.com/article/new-hampshire-did-nra-fumble-on-constitutional-carry

 

[Minshooter]

Life member here. I notified them years ago to quit sending all the crap, magazine also. It went something like....if you have money to waste on all this crap, you won't be getting anymore of mine.

Mission accomplished.

The only time I get anything is when the voting magazine comes.

Later

Dave

True.
I just received (another) letter urging me to renew. My membership is current until mid-2028.
Have spoken face to face with WLP.
Have looked into the eyes of a shark from very close, underwater, unprotected.
Felt about the same. (Actually, preferred the shark).

 

[Minshooter]

Very much like rearranging the deck chairs on the

Lapierre stench

My membership is coming due this spring. My first question to them will be " Is Wayne L and those that helped him pilfer money out of the program being prosecuted and are there any efforts to recover the stolen money taking place?"

Simply moving forward without punishing those involved is unacceptable!

It won't happen, because there is nothing left to prosecute.
He did get one multi million judgement against him, which is being dragged out in appeals.
Most of what WLP and his cronies did to loot the NRA was done with the approval of his carefully vetted board. WLP flew in a private jet. Approved. Clothes, travel, luxuries, millions looted. Approved. Legal.
At the 2019 NRA Annual Convention, I spoke with then NRA President Oliver North, just hours before he tried to bring this up to the board; WLP had him fired and on a plane that same evening.

 

[M-61]

At the 2019 NRA Annual Convention, I spoke with then NRA President Oliver North, just hours before he tried to bring this up to the board; WLP had him fired and on a plane that same evening.

Gee, was he nice enough to let Lt.Col Oliver North use WLP’s private plane?
They (whoever they may be) will never see a dime from me.

 

[houligan]

I'm telling you, it's time for EVERYONE to stop supporting the NRA. The world of shooting survived before them, as we know the real NRA of the 50's and 60's, and it will now, as well! Demand your shooting clubs end the FORCED support and suggest to all your shooting friends to stop support! That's the ONLY way your going to get their attention!

 

[Minshooter]

Gee, was he nice enough to let Lt.Col Oliver North use WLP’s private plane?
They (whoever they may be) will never see a dime from me.

I was told by one of the (Recently deceased, and very much missed) top NRA people that while he was not aware of what transport was actually used by North, he knew for certain that it was not WPL's private jet.

 

[M-61]

I was told by one of the (Recently deceased, and very much missed) top NRA people that while he was not aware of what transport was actually used by North, he knew for certain that it was not WPL's private jet.

I was being sarcastic.
Interesting that the deceased was very much missed having been ‘top’ NRA person.
These ‘people’ I assume were/are some of the ‘top’ 75 or so board members. Of course I have no knowledge or intimacy ( as you seem to) with any. But an unskilled inept NY attorney general successfully got this gang to turn tail and run. To me the NRA was/is a money grabbing bunch os scammers. There may have been a time…..
but it’s long gone.
BTW, WLP ( during the VietNam war) successfully got a student deferment, then successfully turned that into a medical deferment.
Maybe he didn’t realize by enlisting or getting drafted the US government actually gives you a rifle with unlimited ammunition.
But thanks to president James Carter all draft dodgers were forgiven. (about 200,000). So I guess regardless of what scam WLP was running at that time all is good. ( providing it was a scam). He seems truthful, ask him.

 

[AckleymanII]

Bitch and complain all you want, none of us would have guns if it were not for the NRA! So, when you run the NRA into the ground, you give the LEFT the boost that they want.

 

[M-61]

Bitch and complain all you want, none of us would have guns if it were not for the NRA! So, when you run the NRA into the ground, you give the LEFT the boost that they want.

So, the NRA is responsible for the second amendment?
I think WLP ran the NRA into the ground, not me.
The LEFT would certainly like you to believe that.

 

[houligan]

Ackleymanll - With or without the NRA, we will always have our guns. The voice of the gun owner is loud and clear to the left wing.

 

[D Coots]

Just spoke with a guy I know that is with the Iowa Firearms Coalition. The IFC has been instrumental here on gun rights and has accomplished much. He was at the NRA board meeting last month and is on a couple of committees and spoke highly of the new NRA 2.0 He agreed that a 75-member board is unwieldy. He also said that in the past the NRA was very helpful with people and resources in helping the IFC with political issues. As far as money to help he said..."not enough". He thought the main problem in the past was WLP and the lawyers. He was not impressed as far at the pace things move today.

I asked who he was voting for and he said:

Mark Vaughn
Jim Wallace
Amanda Suffercool
Amy Lovato
Charlie Hiltunem

I was not going to vote but I trust this guy's judgement and will.


Later

Dave

Just got off the phone with a representative of my local High Schol Trap team which I help sponsor. He told me that they used to get their award plaques from the NRA................... UNTIL THEY GOT WAY TO EXPENSIVE. I don't care if the plaques cost $1,000,000 for the whole country, the NRA should be spending money on the future of firearms, and that is where it is, local kids shooting.

The crooked SOB's had plenty of money to LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS, but can't support something this important?

Screw the NRA, this was the final straw. I'll spend my dime local.

Later

Dave

 

[Xerothermic]

From what I've read here, it is still a National fight. However, it is being fought with the wrong acronym if the current NRA is the best the public can put forth. Time to move on.