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Case lube

I keep a generic lip balm stick on the loading bench for heavy duty sizing, cheap ones have more lanolin. Otherwise Hornady One shot, in a designated zip lock baggie than into a designated cardboard flat. I wear nitride gloves, wipe off case after sizing with a cloth.
 
Something I have noticed using various brands of dies- some dies work better with some lubes. I have Lee, Hornady, RCBS, Redding, Whidden, and Forster dies. They don't all play equally well with every lubricant. Hornady One Shot is BUTTER smooth with my Hornady dies, but doesn't work nearly as well in my RCBS Matchmaster die. It seems like lanolin works amazing in most of my dies, but nothing works as well with my Hornady dies as One Shot.

Ymmv.
 
After studying lubricity, a thin film is 1 of 3 requirements!!! High pressure lubes are refined oils from crude oil!!! The small carbon molecules are like tiny ball bearings allowing for a thin film!! Lanolin based lubed are made from wool oils or waxes which are Stearic Acid (Animal fat)!!! These larger molecules create a thick film and can cause cohesion, thus possibly causing the brass to be pulled back upward!!! The lanolin case lubes started coming out during the neck size only era!!! It was ORIGINALLY designed for shear lubricity, not compression sizing!!!

I still have my original Bonanza case lube bottle purchased ~ 45 years ago!!! Have reloaded over 15,000 rounds, and still have over 1/3 left in the bottle!!! I have only had 2 cases with oil dimples!!! They were the very short and steep shouldered 280 AI!!! NO PROBLEM, JUST BLOW THEM OUT AS FOULERS!! I have never had a problem with minimal bump in all those cases!!! HI PRESSURE LUBED CASES ARE MORE CONSISTENT AFTER SIZING!!! IMHO!!!!

And, for health reasons, one should steer away from synthetic oils or waxes!!!
Motor oils and gear lubes have additives that can cause issues at the bench or affect your health!!!
STICK WITH LUBES DESIGNED FOR RELOADING AND SAVE YOUR RELOADING EQUIPMENT AND HEALTH!!!

aim small
HIT BIG!!!!!!!!!
BILL
 
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Mink Oil Paste,
I've used Imperial for years, Love it
Until I tried Mink Oil, it beat out Imperial in lubricity
I can get a stuck case when Wildcat forming with Imperial
Not so much with Mink Oil, it just works better and comes off just as easily in the tumbler.
The stuff pictured is about the softeness/consistency of Imperial
 

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Mink Oil Paste,
I've used Imperial for years, Love it
Until I tried Mink Oil, it beat out Imperial in lubricity
I can get a stuck case when Wildcat forming with Imperial
Not so much with Mink Oil, it just works better and comes off just as easily in the tumbler.
The stuff pictured is about the softeness/consistency of Imperial

Mink oil: C16H34, 17% palmitoleic acid!!!
Lanolin: C34H68O2, Stearic acid!!!
Good choice when using animal oils and fats!!!
The Mink oil is a much smaller molecule than the chain link Lanolin!!!
That why in high pressure situations (wildcat forming), the Mink oil is better!!!
Less cohesion with a thinner film!!!
Way to go, ELR VLR!!!
 
Mink oil: C16H34, 17% palmitoleic acid!!!
Lanolin: C34H68O2, Stearic acid!!!
Good choice when using animal oils and fats!!!
The Mink oil is a much smaller molecule than the chain link Lanolin!!!
That why in high pressure situations (wildcat forming), the Mink oil is better!!!
Less cohesion with a thinner film!!!
Way to go, ELR VLR!!!
Awesome, Thank you for the scientific explanation
So the Molecules of the Mink Oil can contract under pressure to a smaller surface area than Lanolin
and still stay in tact?
 
Awesome, Thank you for the scientific explanation
So the Molecules of the Mink Oil can contract under pressure to a smaller surface area than Lanolin
and still stay in tact?

Did you notice a difference in the ease of sizing between the two animals oils/fats? I noticed the high pressure (petrol based) lubes formed the cases much easier and smoother than the Pacific lube (lanolin based)!!! With the petrol base lube, I get the die loaded with oil, and then skip lubing for a couple or three non lubed cases!!! By feeling the press, I know when to shove in a lubed case!!

After 35 years of sitting in the cabinet, the lanolin turned hard and yellowed!!! The lanolin was turning rancid, just like animal fat will with time and temperature!!! But, the Bonanza lube still has the same consistency and color like it was just opened!!! The 2oz plastic container, however, is starting to yellow slightly!!! The lube is going to out last its container!!!! Vise versa with the Pacific lube!!!
 
Did you notice a difference in the ease of sizing between the two animals oils/fats? I noticed the high pressure (petrol based) lubes formed the cases much easier and smoother than the Pacific lube (lanolin based)!!! With the petrol base lube, I get the die loaded with oil, and then skip lubing for a couple or three non lubed cases!!! By feeling the press, I know when to shove in a lubed case!!

After 35 years of sitting in the cabinet, the lanolin turned hard and yellowed!!! The lanolin was turning rancid, just like animal fat will with time and temperature!!! But, the Bonanza lube still has the same consistency and color like it was just opened!!! The 2oz plastic container, however, is starting to yellow slightly!!! The lube is going to out last its container!!!! Vise versa with the Pacific lube!!!
I noticed a rather big difference in cases that took some effort being much easier with the Mink Oil.
with something like a 223 sized case, there would not be much difference in feel,
both are equally good with smaller easy to size cases
but with bigger cases, Magnums or forming new wilcats that have to squeeze the web area
Major difference going to Mink Oil
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I have had my can of Mink Oil open to the air now for a good year or more and havent noticed any oxidation, yellowing etc, or hardening
Big bonus for using with the Dillon- I can thin out a glob of Mink Oil paste in a jar with Naptha
and put it into a squirt bottle
Then put a bunch of cases into a Ziploc and Squirt a couple squirts on like 50 cases
Roll them in the baggie and theyre all lubed
Rather clean and easy
Even After the Naptha has evaporated, the cases stayed lubed
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And yes for the most part with single finger dipping, each case, I usually skip every other case.
Like you mention with yours, I can relate there.
I think I paid 8 bucks (Mink Oil) for a nice big easy to use can,,,, compared to the tiny Imperial cans which I end up pushing all over the place or knocking over,
That 8 dollar can will likely last for years
Mink Oil lubes better so is a No brainer for me
I mainly used it for thinning down and using in a squirt bottole but
---it really wasnt until recently i completely transferred to it for single stage loading when
I had 3 stuck cases forming a wildcat with imperial,
no mater how much I put on the case, it would get stuck, had to case extract start over etc
And tried once with Mink Oil and experienced no stuck cases. They usually go in the die smooth as silk
And if it started to get tight at all in the forming die, All I had to do was withdraw slighty and just smudge what was still on the case around again and replunge upward a second stroke on the ram and it finished.
 
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I noticed a rather big difference in cases that took some effort being much easier with the Mink Oil.
with something like a 223 sized case, there would not be much difference in feel,
both are equally good with smaller easy to size cases
but with bigger cases, Magnums or forming new wilcats that have to squeeze the web area
Major difference going to Mink Oil
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I have had my can of Mink Oil open to the air now for a good year or more and havent noticed any oxidation, yellowing etc, or hardening
Big bonus for using with the Dillon- I can thin out a glob of Mink Oil paste in a jar with Naptha
and put it into a squirt bottle
Then put a bunch of cases into a Ziploc and Squirt a couple squirts on like 50 cases
Roll them in the baggie and theyre all lubed
Rather clean and easy
Even After the Naptha has evaporated, the cases stayed lubed
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And yes for the most part with single finger dipping, each case, I usually skip every other case.
Like you mention with yours, I can relate there.
I think I paid 8 bucks (Mink Oil) for a nice big easy to use can,,,, compared to the tiny Imperial cans which I end up pushing all over the place or knocking over,
That 8 dollar can will likely last for years
Mink Oil lubes better so is a No brainer for me
I mainly used it for thinning down and using in a squirt bottole but
---it really wasnt until recently i completely transferred to it for single stage loading when
I had 3 stuck cases forming a wildcat with imperial,
no mater how much I put on the case, it would get stuck, had to case extract start over etc
And tried once with Mink Oil and experienced no stuck cases. They usually go in the die smooth as silk
And if it started to get tight at all in the forming die, All I had to do was withdraw slighty and just smudge what was still on the case around again and replunge upward a second stroke on the ram and it finished.

NICE INFO ELR VLR!!!!!!!!!!
Know you have me rethinking about high pressure lubes (petrol base) vs animal fats and oils!!! The animal oils would be easier to remove compared to the sticky and hard to remove paraffin in the petrol lubes!!!

Wonder how the mink oil would do on a lube pad?????????
I have my lube pad on a plywood base with raise 5/8" strips retaining the pad!!! The cases are on an angle to the pad!!! This allows for the lube to contact the mouth end of the neck, base of the shoulder, and mid/upper case body!!! When sizing, as the die comes down on the case, the lube will flow downward!!! I also scrape a little lube into the inside of the neck at the mouth with a little twisting motion!!! A little lube goes a long ways inside the case neck!!! If the last case pulls up a little harder past the case/die separation point, inside lube the next couple of cases because the expander ball surface on the stem is dry!!! I don't worry about that little bit of lube on the carbon residue surface when seating bullets!!! That minute amount of oil has not totally saturated the residue and will not "ring out" the oil and migrate into the powder!!! Plus, this aids in building up the slick carbon residue!!!

Now, some of you are going to say, BILL, WTH!!!! YOU DON'T WANT LUBE ON THE SHOULDER OR YOU WILL GET LUBE DENTS ON THE SHOULDER!!! Too much, excess, lube on the shoulder causes dents!!!!! A little lube does not cause dents!!! Take it from a pro!!!! Like I stated earlier, only two dents in thousands of cases formed!!! Ya learn from experience!!!

The secret is in loading the pad!!! A couple of drops of oil on the pad!!! Then, lightly feather the oil drops around the top surface of the pad with a plastic coated playing card or old credit/debit card!! Then, with a little more firm pressure, finish trowel the working surface of the pad driving the oil into the upper surface!!! Work with one side of the pad, not the whole pad area!!! The key here is like I mentioned earlier, THIN, UNIFORM FILM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN THE PAD AND ONTO THE CASES BY LIGHTLY ROLLING THEM ON THE PAD!!!!!! A couple of drops of oil can do approximately 400-500 223s, 200- 300 308s, and 100-150 Mag sized cases in a seasoned lube pad using high end form dies!!!

aim small
HIT BIG!!!!!!!!
BILL

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Maybe the Naptha/Mink oil spray would create a more even distribution on the lube pad as long as the naptha doesn't compromise the integrity of the pad material!!! Thoughts ELR VLR?????
 
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NICE INFO ELR VLR!!!!!!!!!!
Know you have me rethinking about high pressure lubes (petrol base) vs animal fats and oils!!! The animal oils would be easier to remove compared to the sticky and hard to remove paraffin in the petrol lubes!!!

Wonder how the mink oil would do on a lube pad?????????
I have my lube pad on a plywood base with raise 5/8" strips retaining the pad!!! The cases are on an angle to the pad!!! This allows for the lube to contact the mouth end of the neck, base of the shoulder, and mid/upper case body!!! When sizing, as the die comes down on the case, the lube will flow downward!!! I also scrape a little lube into the inside of the neck at the mouth with a little twisting motion!!! A little lube goes a long ways inside the case neck!!! If the last case pulls up a little harder past the case/die separation point, inside lube the next couple of cases because
the expander ball surface on the stem is dry!!! I don't worry about that little bit of lube on the carbon residue surface when seating bullets!!! That minute amount of oil has not totally saturated the residue and will not "ring out" the oil and migrate into the powder!!! Plus, this aids in building up the slick carbon residue!!!

Now, some of you are going to say, BILL, WTH!!!! YOU DON'T WANT LUBE ON THE SHOULDER OR YOU WILL GET LUBE DENTS ON THE SHOULDER!!! Too much, excess, lube on the shoulder causes dents!!!!! A little lube does not cause dents!!! Take it from a pro!!!! Like I stated earlier, only two dents in thousands of cases formed!!! Ya learn from experience!!!

The secret is in loading the pad!!! A couple of drops of oil on the pad!!! Then, lightly feather the oil drops around the top surface of the pad with a plastic coated playing card or old credit/debit card!! Then, with a little more firm pressure, finish trowel the working surface of the pad driving the oil into the upper surface!!! Work with one side of the pad, not the whole pad area!!! The key here is like I mentioned earlier, THIN, UNIFORM FILM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN THE PAD AND ONTO THE CASES BY LIGHTLY ROLLING THEM ON THE PAD!!!!!! A couple of drops of oil can do approximately 400-500 223s, 200- 300 308s, and 100-150 Mag sized cases in a seasoned lube pad using high end form dies!!!

aim small
HIT BIG!!!!!!!!
BILL
Oh Definitely it comes off easier than Petrol based,
I bet it would work excellent on a Lube Pad,
As Mentioned, get some Naptha (Coleman Fuel) and Dillute it and then you could put it in a squeeze bottle or spray bottle.
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Take your pick on how much you want to pay per container.
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Charcoal Lighter even at the Dollar Store
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Be mindful of the fact the Naptha does evaporate rather quickly, say within a week or two if left open to the air at all, even through the spray bottle
I have to redillute later if it sits for awhile but I dont mind that for how useful the homebrew is haha.
In a spray bottle, if the the Mink Paste solidifies again, I will simply swap out the Squirter and stem with a clean one and go to work.
With a drip bottle that's capped it may not be an issue.
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I also lube the inside of the necks as you do, I use a nylong brush and roll it in Imperial and still use Imperial for that, its lasts about 20 cases before having to roll it in Imperial again.
Good method I think as you say, a little goes a long way inside the case.
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As for Shoulder Lube dents I will also add this
I have not experienced this once I completely switched to Mink Oil.
I did get it a little bit with Imperial and had to clean the die occasionally'
But the Mink Oil does not seem to build up inside enough to have caused this
Could be as you said, I thinner film does the job needed.
You really owe it to yourself for the price of a Mink Oil Can costs to try it out, I'm sure you will be well pleased. Look for a brand that is somewhat soft like Imperial
I have tried 2 so far and the green Can is what has the consistency I like to get the perfect smear on your finger and last a good while, I maybe dip my finger every 3 cases while single stage loading
Plus the softer stuff dissolves in the Naptha Easier
BTW, it must be Naptha FYI, I tried, MEK and Acetone and Toluene.
Solvents are very interesting, A less eduacated person would think solvents should all be pretty much the same and do the same, but they do not on some products, like Wax or Mink Oil
Naptha is the only Solvent I also know between those I just mentioned that will also dissolve Parrafin Wax, so Mink Oil acts similar to wax in that aspect anyway
As you may know, liquid wax is a phenomenal lubricant, which I have used to extract stuck bolts with ease after heating and melting wax into the threads, So I'd be interested to know if Mink Oil and melted Paraffin wax have any similarities.
Cool Info you provide Wild Bill!!!
 
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I have so many kinds of case lube, three lifetime supplies. Most of my dies are custom, so that the lube does not matter that much. What does matter is how hard it is to remove the lube. Along that line, I am going to do a test, turning necks with RCBS Case Lube II. It wipes of with cold water on a rag, so I think that it would dissolve out of case necks with a little time in hot water. We shall see.
 
Been using Hornady One Shot case lube for years, following the directions. Never had a problem.
 
Come on guys. There must be 10,000 replies on how I lube cases.
Motor oil is (IMO) too difficult to remove. However, whether it is or isn't, I'm not going to try it. I'm the same as you, I'm more than likely not going to change the way I lube cases.
I use water soluble case lube, because I wash my cases in hot soapy water then rinse in clean water a couple of times.

Is that more work than necessary ? Yes, but that is what I do.
I don't worry about any film on the cases I didn't clean enough or properly. Everyone has their own way of doing stuff.
 

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