Remington Rifle Current Production Quality?

[Gil P.]

I wouldn't buy another Remington because: they are still using the same awful bolt handles, sheet metal bolt stops, and probably don't have any primary extraction.

 

[ELR LVR]

Some time ago I posted on Remington and wanted to know what was up with them on wither or not the new ownership was going under already, due to getting no replies back on several emails sent on various topics.

If you listen to Ron Spomer, he says under the new ownership quality control is the best it's ever been. To date, the 700 Varmint SF has yet to have any picture post on their site, and the 17FB brass is STILL unavailable along with others.

Has anyone actually bought any of the new generation Remington's? If so, what's the good, bad or ugly on them?

Yes, last October 2024
Everything was fabulous with it
Bought it strictly for the action for a custom Carbon Chassis build
It was a Blued/Wood Stocked 270 Win L/A
The action was great, needed very little lapping of the lugs,
Front of receiver cleaned up with a .002-.003" face cut
Extracted custom handloads just fine and cycled smooth as silk
(Much smoother than a Tikka Tac A1 anyway)
The rest of its parts I sold off in trade for custom parts

 

[Davers]

They are in fact still being made and have been for years by Miroku. They even had special runs some years in 25-35 WCF (2017) and 32 Win. Spl. (2019) along with the standard chambering of 30-30 and 38-55.

The fact is those Model 94 are made in a foreign country, when they were made right here in the U.S.A. for years in the past, by Winchester Repeating Arms.

 

[danny]

The fact is those Model 94 are made in a foreign country, when they were made right here in the U.S.A. for years in the past, by Winchester Repeating Arms.

Unfortunately, if you insist on US made goods only, you are going to have to go without a lot of stuff. I don't really like the situation or agree with it, but that is where things stand.

I don't think Browning has made anything in the USA for a long time, if ever.

Danny

 

[jackieschmidt]

Does anybody find it strange that some of the finest rifles and optics that are readily available are manufactured in a Country where private firearm ownership is just about non existent.

 

[DanCarey]

Tikka has a history. Sako has a history, look them up. 42 years ago Tikka was a high end rifle company until Beretta bought them, now they are Beretta's low end rifle. Sako was a house hold name 30 years ago, Beretta bought them in 2000, pulled them from the distributors and went factory direct with their high end shotgun dealers.
Beretta has 2 classes of dealers low end and high end, A low end can sell auto shotgun and entry level over and unders. So, you only see used Sako's in the local gun shops and Sako's new gun sales are 24% of what they were.
Remington 700 series was developed in the early 40' and most everything you see today was a revised copy of that action. (It doesn't look anything like a 98). Remingtons 700 have an extracton cam on the bolt!
I would rather have a Ruger American Gen II than a Tikka TX. I've owned a bunch of Sako's and a few Tikka's they are not crappy rifles, I'm just upset with Beretta's way of doing business in America and their crappy magazines. I have 3 Beretta shotguns now. I shoot sporting clays with a Silver Pideon.
Oh yes, I almost forgot, they also bought Benelli and I don't see much of them anymore either.

 

[CharlieNC]

I firmly believe the Finns (and some other Europeans) have a better approach to quality control, education/training, and goals to make a solid product that performs compared to the US. Their products are usually solid and sought after.

I can be an avid shooter who does not reload or do gunsmithing, buy a Tikka at a fair price for what it is, and have a “keep it forever” rifle. Howa seems to be another example of a solid factory gun for the average guy. Remington has historically fumbled the ball with their product line.

We are told capitalism is the way to go, and in it’s purest form it was. But now it’s about profit, not quality. That’s why we spend money on stuff that might not give trouble for 5 years when it lasted 25 or more in the past.

Competition is not always about price - it’s also about quality.

Yep, began when the MBAs started calling the shots. The US still makes the top quality in industries where it is required and it is paid to do so. Not so much in commodity products anymore.

 

[Davers]

Unfortunately, if you insist on US made goods only, you are going to have to go without a lot of stuff. I don't really like the situation or agree with it, but that is where things stand.

I don't think Browning has made anything in the USA for a long time, if ever.

Danny

Yes, that is too bad for everyone, when their rifle or shotgun of their choice is made in another country. You can blame the Unions on this.

 

[COLT45SA]

I firmly believe the Finns (and some other Europeans) have a better approach to quality control, education/training, and goals to make a solid product that performs compared to the US. Their products are usually solid and sought after.

I can be an avid shooter who does not reload or do gunsmithing, buy a Tikka at a fair price for what it is, and have a “keep it forever” rifle. Howa seems to be another example of a solid factory gun for the average guy. Remington has historically fumbled the ball with their product line.

We are told capitalism is the way to go, and in it’s purest form it was. But now it’s about profit, not quality. That’s why we spend money on stuff that might not give trouble for 5 years when it lasted 25 or more in the past.

Competition is not always about price - it’s also about quality.

"Quality" is a word that is not widely considered by manufacturers today. Mediocrity seems to be the target with very little testing. Just make it, throw it out to the public, and if they get negative feedback they may look into it if the number sold and profit were high enough to justify correction. If not, they discontinue manufacture that version and move on to the newest iteration~!!

 

[jds holler]

It just occurred to me that I don't believe that I've actually purchased a new Remington product since sometime in the eighties.

I guess I'm part of the problem. jd

 

[1K6BRA]

The fact is those Model 94 are made in a foreign country, when they were made right here in the U.S.A. for years in the past, by Winchester Repeating Arms.

Sacrilege I tell you, sacrilege

 

[Rick in Oregon]

One foreign made exception that's completely acceptable (to me) is the 'Winchesters' and shotguns made in Japan by Mirouko. I've got two of their O/U's stamped "Charles Daly" that exhibit excellent workmanship, engraving and overall quality, and a 'Winchester' M92 Octagon rifle in 44Mag that has better overall workmanship, fit/finish and polishing than anything I've ever owned from the actual U.S. maker.

And as has been said, in Japan they can't even own any firearms, period. Yet one more reason I love the USA!

 

[nakneker]

Ron seems like a nice enough guy but he misses the mark often enough that he’s lost credibility with me. Watched his opinion on the 222 and didn’t make it half way through the video.

That being said I’m a huge Remington fan. I really enjoy the early 700s, 600s, 660s, even the 788s. Their older varmint rifles and offering like the LVSF were great rifles, I’ll still buy them if they are clean and a decent price.

I have a hard time believing they are producing quality again. They produced some really mediocre rifles for awhile there. I hope the chatter is true and they are offering some quality again. I’m gonna try and out my hands on one now,I’m curious.

Lately when I buy factory I’m buying Tikka, Sakos and such. Just picked up a Tikka deluxe 595 in 222 last week for much less than you would pay for a new Tikka or 700. That’s another subject, why do guys buy new rifles that aren’t nearly the rifle you can pick up on the used market for less money? To each their own.

 

[jds holler]

why do guys buy new rifles that aren’t nearly the rifle you can pick up on the used market for less money? To each their own.

nakneker, I don't think that ANY company considers guys like us when it comes to their customer base. And they probably shouldn't. Heck, 90% of the most expensive items I own are 20 to 50 years old.
I haven't bought a brand new vehicle since '78', and my washer/dryer set are from 76. I think I may be a tight-wad. jd

 

[nakneker]

nakneker, I don't think that ANY company considers guys like us when it comes to their customer base. And they probably shouldn't. Heck, 90% of the most expensive items I own are 20 to 50 years old.
I haven't bought a brand new vehicle since '78', and my washer/dryer set are from 76. I think I may be a tight-wad. jd

I like the way you think!

 

[ISS]

the lack of QC these days in the mass market firearms is sad. If I want an accurate firearm, I just build one.
The notable exceptions are Shiloh Rifle and CPA single shot falling block rifles. As an aside, Shiloh called me about two hours ago to tell me my full custom Model of 1877 in 38-55 is ready to ship. Yee-Haw!!!!!!!

Life is good on the custom side these days.

Rich

 

[Knotwild]

If Remington was smart enough to put a board consisting of some of the guys on this forum and follow the recommendations as closely as possible they might dominate the rifle world.

 

[danny]

One foreign made exception that's completely acceptable (to me) is the 'Winchesters' and shotguns made in Japan by Mirouko. I've got two of their O/U's stamped "Charles Daly" that exhibit excellent workmanship, engraving and overall quality, and a 'Winchester' M92 Octagon rifle in 44Mag that has better overall workmanship, fit/finish and polishing than anything I've ever owned from the actual U.S. maker.

And as has been said, in Japan they can't even own any firearms, period. Yet one more reason I love the USA!

I was shooting Long Range Highpower at the National Matches some years back. They had some kind of International shooting match running concurrently. There were Aussies shooting, a team or teams from New Zealand and some people from Japan (maybe other countries). Some of the people from Japan were to my left on the 1000 yard line. I will never forget the one Japanese guy. He had some kind of weird sight setup. I think it had some kind of bend in the rear sight, but I can't remember very well. What I do remember is seeing him shoot with his head above the rear sight, LOOKING DOWNWARD.

Danny

 

[Fire Dog]

Does anybody find it strange that some of the finest rifles and optics that are readily available are manufactured in a Country where private firearm ownership is just about non existent.

Includes Indonesia, home of SEB rests.
Up to Death penalty for illegal ownership of a firearm….
Have big $ and political/police connections than a maybe for a permit…
Almost no where to shoot even if you own one.

 

[Davers]

One foreign made exception that's completely acceptable (to me) is the 'Winchesters' and shotguns made in Japan by Mirouko. I've got two of their O/U's stamped "Charles Daly" that exhibit excellent workmanship, engraving and overall quality, and a 'Winchester' M92 Octagon rifle in 44Mag that has better overall workmanship, fit/finish and polishing than anything I've ever owned from the actual U.S. maker.

And as has been said, in Japan they can't even own any firearms, period. Yet one more reason I love the USA!

I've seen several foreign imports of rifles and shotguns, which are well built, CZ, Mirouko, and Rossi. My argument is WHY can't this country produce rifles & shotguns like we did in the 1950s & '60s. But when you have Unions demanding more & more perks for employees, something has to give. Also more and more regulations on firearm producers thakes a toll on Quality.