20 cal eld-vt

[Woollybugger]

The factory 204 in 10-11 twist rifles drive the perception that they only need 40gr pills it seems. Thankfully Berger has made the 55 and Blackhole the 50, 52 and 60. Blackhole’s webpage says the business is for sale so they may go away too.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I gave ELD-VTs away they aint what they are cracked up too be!

Best 22 cal pdog bullet hands down. Just got home from Colorado and the 62 eldvt outperformed all of the others.

 

[boltfluter]

Hornady can keep their new line of bullets!

I will take Sierra, Berger, or My favorite Bibs any day!

I gave ELD-VTs away they aint what they are cracked up too be!

Just curious what problems you had with the ELD-VT bullets? My Tikka really shoots them well. But, in my one experience, they really like to be into the rifling at least .010. Just curious is all. Shoot straight.
Paul

 

[Ilikepie7]

I’m a huge fan of the 80 grain 6mm ELD-VT. I use it in my Dasher. I’d love to see a 20 cal option.

 

[HillbillyLongRifle]

They would not shoot in my rifles jammed, jumped, or just at touch in the rifling.

50 and 53 vmax and 70 gr Bergers hammer in my 22 Dasher 8 twist!

62 ELD-VTs were very disappointing on target!
I want waste no more money on Hornady Elds or ELD- VTs!

Also a friend has had nothing but trouble with Groundhogs getting back in the hole.

They aint all the same. One will blow up and the next will just punch a hole in and out!

I much prefer a Nolser Ballistic tip or Sierra Blitzking for my Groundhogs here!

 

[Gabe22BR]

Truth

 

[17VLD]

Was thinking I need a 22 Dasher with an 8 twist for varmints. I do love the 53 Vmax and thought that new 62 would be even better,but glad to hear the feed back. Also glad to know the 53 holds together in the 8.
Matt

 

[urbanrifleman]

Just curious what problems you had with the ELD-VT bullets? My Tikka really shoots them well. But, in my one experience, they really like to be into the rifling at least .010. Just curious is all. Shoot straight.
Paul

The Hornady ELDVT bullet line is the new AR COMP.

 

[RV-Customs]

I have some 20cal 55gr Berger Long Range that i have been trying in my 20VT. They were available from Grafs
PN 20306 .354 G1 BC. They like fast twist 1-7 or better.

BERGER 20(.204) 55gr HPBT BULLET (VARMINT) 100/bx - Graf & Sons

Exclusive to Grafs! After noticing an interest, Grafs contacted Berger for a special run of these varmint bullets. Get them while you can! Berger Long Range BT Varmint Bullets feature Match Grade quality construction and have a large hollow point that produces rapid expansion when used for...

www.grafs.com

 

[L.Sherm]

I have some 20cal 55gr Berger Long Range that i have been trying in my 20VT. They were available from Grafs
PN 20306 .354 G1 BC. They like fast twist 1-7 or better.

BERGER 20(.204) 55gr HPBT BULLET (VARMINT) 100/bx - Graf & Sons

Exclusive to Grafs! After noticing an interest, Grafs contacted Berger for a special run of these varmint bullets. Get them while you can! Berger Long Range BT Varmint Bullets feature Match Grade quality construction and have a large hollow point that produces rapid expansion when used for...

www.grafs.com

Theres alot of people shooting them in 1-9 with alot of success including me

 

[Gabe22BR]

The Hornady ELDVT bullet line is the new AR COMP.

I don’t need any then-

 

[Gabe22BR]

I have some 20cal 55gr Berger Long Range that i have been trying in my 20VT. They were available from Grafs
PN 20306 .354 G1 BC. They like fast twist 1-7 or better.

BERGER 20(.204) 55gr HPBT BULLET (VARMINT) 100/bx - Graf & Sons

Exclusive to Grafs! After noticing an interest, Grafs contacted Berger for a special run of these varmint bullets. Get them while you can! Berger Long Range BT Varmint Bullets feature Match Grade quality construction and have a large hollow point that produces rapid expansion when used for...

www.grafs.com

I shoot them out 1 of my VT improved in a 1-8” twist… they will hammer !!! Look weird, and work well !!!

 

[searcher]

Best 22 cal pdog bullet hands down. Just got home from Colorado and the 62 eldvt outperformed all of the others.

After much range time dialing in some accurate loads, I got to try those 62 ELD-VTs on some ground squirrels a few months ago. Usually, I use .20 Practicals and .223's for such work - this time it was my .22 Nosler and the 62's. Dang! Those 62's really blow them into bits and much more red mist than what I have gotten out of my other rifles (other than .243 Win., of course...)

I bought both new bullets - and some seconds that popped up for sale. I did my load development with the seconds - as well as my first squirrel hunt. Super accurate too, once the right powders were found - for which IMR4166 and Varget worked almost equally well.

 

[urbanrifleman]

After much range time dialing in some accurate loads, I got to try those 62 ELD-VTs on some ground squirrels a few months ago. Usually, I use .20 Practicals and .223's for such work - this time it was my .22 Nosler and the 62's. Dang! Those 62's really blow them into bits and much more red mist than what I have gotten out of my other rifles (other than .243 Win., of course...)

Yup. The most explosive bullet we tested. And accuracy has never been a problem. Best long range performance also.

 

[varmit_hunter]

I have a 1@10 twist 204 ruger. Only bullets i have used has been Berger 35gr. And Sierra 39gr bk. I sold my 39gr Bk. Went to Berger. I have some Nosler 32gr and 40gr bt. Never worked up a load yet. I would try a box of Hornady ELD VT 40 gr. If they would come out with them.

 

[Lefty2506]

Yup. The most explosive bullet we tested. And accuracy has never been a problem. Best long range performance also.

Seems like you were also going to test a heavier bullet, maybe the 88grELD? Can't recall now. Just wondering how it performed relative to the 62.

 

[Lefty2506]

Two years ago I spent time in John Nosler's office trying to convince him of the attributes of the 20VT and why they should market it with their own headstamp after talking it over with TK. I mentioned they make their own brass and bullets so bringing it to market would not be too big of a deal, other than getting SAAMI approval. He said that's one hurdle, but they also must get the CIT (?) European approval also which IS a big deal it appears.

But unfortunately I came away disappointed, and clearly saw they are only interested in big game offerings, bigger, faster, etc. I'm amazed they even offer any .20 cal bullets after the discussion, and suppose we're fortunate we have what .20's they do offer.

I believe most here would agree that the commercialized 20VT would get much more love and attention than the 20 Nosler will ever receive. And that is primarily aimed at the AR guys.

So I suppose 'we' are what is considered a niche group, and won't get any more attention than we're already getting from them. Yes, I'm pouting.

Companies need to make a profit. With the 204 already on the market, it would be tough for a company to release another 20 that could offer any noticeably better performance to the point that they could capture a significant portion of the 204s market share. Of course "better" is a relative term, but there are so few people who could make use of the gains beyond 300 yds, that there just wouldn't be a commercial market for it. If there were a market, Nosler really should have offered their 20 cal with a 55gr high BC, thin skinned projectile. The bigger question here is where do companies like Nosler come up with some of their ideas? Some of them seem like they pulled them out of the trash can at the end of the bar shortly after last call... lol Seems like if they were interested in a 20 cal, they would spend some time on forums where people actually used something like that so they understood what the market needed, or at least could support. Then again, I'm not a fortune 500 CEO, or even a small business owner so what do I know.

As far as a 20 ELD-VT, the big question there is what would it take to stabilize it? I've run the numbers on the 32gr and 39/40gr stuff, and the trajectories are almost identical out to 300 yds. After that, the 39/40s win every time because they are retaining their speed and aren't getting blow around as bad. So it would seem like a 32-36gr ELD wouldn't have much to offer. It would keep up with the 39/40s a little better in the wind, but trajectory (or at least the drop) would still be nearly identical. A 40gr ELD-VT might make sense but I'd be worried that a 10 or 11 twist wouldn't shoot it very well, and you'd need to be able to market it to everyone who's currently shooting the 39/40s for the project to make sense. Then theirs cost. Last I looked, I could find 40gr vmax for around $20/bx. ELD-vt bullets sell at a premium compared to the vmax. Even if it shoots well in the same barrels, its going to have to be pretty impressive to justify any additional cost. Lastly, an ELD-VT would pull sales away from the 40gr vmax. That's bad business. They already own the tooling and have done all the development work to design, make, and sell the 40gr vmax. Investing money into capital and marketing just to pull sales away from one of your other products is a big no-no. The only way that really works is if you time it so that it launches about a year before the 40gr vmax tooling wears out, and you sell it as the improved version and fade the 40gr vmax out of production. At best, that's a risky business move in a niche market.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Seems like you were also going to test a heavier bullet, maybe the 88grELD? Can't recall now. Just wondering how it performed relative to the 62.

80 eldx. Still working on it.