Aside From The Price, What Are The Negatives Of The March Genesis 10x60x56 ELR Scope

[jackieschmidt]

I have never seen one in person, just have been reading reviews.
The two biggest pluses are the extreme vertical adjustment and the optical clarity due to the scopes optics staying centered at all ranges.

Does anybody here actually have one?

Before we continue

 

[Fuj]

Jackie.....That particular scope is in the "first focal plane". If your
thinking of it for BR work, you may want to pass on it. The available
reticles may look a little busy also. I just don't see it being any better
then a SFP High Master......

 

[jackieschmidt]

Jackie.....That particular scope is in the "first focal plane". If your
thinking of it for BR work, you may want to pass on it. The available
reticles may look a little busy also. I just don't see it being any better
then a SFP High Master......

This will be a dedicated ELR application. One mile+.

I have a Valdada Precision on order for the Tack Driver. I was going to try a scope for double duty, but there is too much difference in the requirements for each.

 

[Fuj]

Makes total sense now !!

 

[jimmymac]

I have a Valdada Precision on order for the Tack Driver.

You and I spent a considerable amount of energy at the last event working on our braille Benchrest.

 

[fkimble@charter.net]

extreme vertical adjustment and the optical clarity due to the scopes optics staying centered at all ranges

These two statements seem to contradict each other? No actual knowledge of the scope. Just started on my first cup!

Frank

 

[jackieschmidt]

These two statements seem to contradict each other? No actual knowledge of the scope. Just started on my first cup!

Frank

Since the Genesis uses an external adjustable mounting system. I assume the scope its self has no internal adjustment and, aside from the focus function, is “frozen”.

So, light is always passing directly through the middle of the focal plane.

They advertise that there is 400 MOA of vertical adjustment and 100 MOA side to side.

Since I have never laid eyes on one, I am not sure just how their external adjusting mount works. It has turret knobs in the back, I assume it has some type of pivot in the front.

I can read March’s fancy ads and watch videos. Since you don’t get much change back from $7000, I would like to have as much info on the system as possible. Going by the assumption that everything has something that not everybody likes, I would like shooters opinions.

As I said in the thread title. It just might be the only bad thing about the product is the price.

 

[davidjoe]

Since the Genesis uses an external adjustable mounting system. I assume the scope its self has no internal adjustment and, aside from the focus function, is “frozen”.

So, light is always passing directly through the middle of the focal plane.

They advertise that there is 400 MOA of vertical adjustment and 100 MOA side to side.

Since I have never laid eyes on one, I am not sure just how their external adjusting mount works. It has turret knobs in the back, I assume it has some type of pivot in the front.

I can read March’s fancy ads and watch videos. Since you don’t get much change back from $7000, I would like to have as much info on the system as possible. Going by the assumption that everything has something that not everybody likes, I would like shooters opinions.

As I said in the thread title. It just might be the only bad thing about the product is the price.

The concept seems identical to those very long scopes from decades back, that were contained within a front and rear ring. I have never used one of those, but they seemed to pose a great risk of being bumped out of zero, where the scope body becomes leverage against the adjustment rings.

We still must use some form of rings today of course, but they can be fixed, steel chunk oyster shells. We can’t really see what is under that outer body the actual “scope” is inside of or the contact and adjustment apparatus. I assume it is hearty in construction.

You’d really need to be shooting very far to utilize that special beast, as it on a canted base can overlay a zero on the entire forward path of any rifle bullet. At some distance, these ELR scopes being aimed at the barrel will suffer some significant sight picture degradation, I believe.

 

[Sniperhandle]

There was a guy making picatinny mounts that had adjustments at the rear it was dial ring that raised the rear of the mount up. I think it had somewhere around 300 moa of adjustment, But I cant remember the name of it. But having a frozen reticle with some kind of setup like an adjustable pic rail makes sense.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Back when we were freezing scopes, I used the Jewel/Foster external adjustment mount. It basically made the entire fixed scope one big rector tube. The front ring and the rear adjustment fixture mounted on a 3/8 dovetail, such as What a Panda had.
It utilized a rubber grommet in the front ring that held the scope very secure but allowed it to pivot on that axis. Adjustments were pretty crude, but it was specifically designed for the Short Range Group Shooting Format.

On the March Web Site, it points to a large spherical pivot point in the front. Perfecting that is probably what makes the system pretty much fail proof, if that is possible.

 

[Sniperhandle]

I think I found the one I was talking about. Moab Cold shot adj from 150 to 300 Moa.

M.O.A.B. - 150/300 Minutes of Angle Adjustable Scope Base - Cold Shot - SHOT Show 2017

The M.O.A.B. is a 1/4 MOA click adjustable tilting scope base, which allows you to use the middle of your optics glass at long range. So rather than click your scope out 40 or more MOA when you stretch from 100 to 1000 yards, you click the base out, and make only minor adjustments to your scope...

gunsamerica.com

https://heritage-arms.com/product-category/gun-parts/cold-shot-llc-adjustable-scope-bases/

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Since the Genesis uses an external adjustable mounting system. I assume the scope its self has no internal adjustment and, aside from the focus function, is “frozen”.

So, light is always passing directly through the middle of the focal plane.

They advertise that there is 400 MOA of vertical adjustment and 100 MOA side to side.

Since I have never laid eyes on one, I am not sure just how their external adjusting mount works. It has turret knobs in the back, I assume it has some type of pivot in the front.

I can read March’s fancy ads and watch videos. Since you don’t get much change back from $7000, I would like to have as much info on the system as possible. Going by the assumption that everything has something that not everybody likes, I would like shooters opinions.

As I said in the thread title. It just might be the only bad thing about the product is the price.

The Genesis is a March riflescope with external adjustments. DEON, the manufacturers of March riflescopes, has a patent on the gimbal system used in the genesis. The way it works is that there is one gimbal unit in front of the riflescope square housing and another one in the rear. These mechanisms are covered with replaceable rubber "boots". The turrets are in the read of the housing and work to adjust the elevation of the rear of the scope while the front goes down by a corresponding amount, given the distance to the front. So while rear goes up a certain amount, the front will go down the same amount. It's also the same for the windage turret also located at the rear of the housing.

The scope is not "frozen" internally, it was never meant to move inside of the wain tube, unlike regular riflescopes. I have played with a Genesis 4-40X52 for a little while. It worked fine, but I do not shoot in a discipline that would use the capabilities of the scope. Plus, as mentioned earlier, the Genesis riflescopes are FFP and I only ever shoot F-class anymore, so no need for FFP, plus 40X or 60X is not enough magnification for me anymore. The Majesta has spoiled me.

 

[SBS]

I think I found the one I was talking about. Moab Cold shot adj from 150 to 300 Moa.

M.O.A.B. - 150/300 Minutes of Angle Adjustable Scope Base - Cold Shot - SHOT Show 2017

The M.O.A.B. is a 1/4 MOA click adjustable tilting scope base, which allows you to use the middle of your optics glass at long range. So rather than click your scope out 40 or more MOA when you stretch from 100 to 1000 yards, you click the base out, and make only minor adjustments to your scope...

gunsamerica.com

https://heritage-arms.com/product-category/gun-parts/cold-shot-llc-adjustable-scope-bases/

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This reminds one of the Buehler Micro Dial mount.

 

[Sniperhandle]

Reminds

This reminds one of the Buehler Micro Dial mount.

Yeah a little bit you're right.

 

[Sniperhandle]

The Genesis is a March riflescope with external adjustments. DEON, the manufacturers of March riflescopes, has a patent on the gimbal system used in the genesis. The way it works is that there is one gimbal unit in front of the riflescope square housing and another one in the rear. These mechanisms are covered with replaceable rubber "boots". The turrets are in the read of the housing and work to adjust the elevation of the rear of the scope while the front goes down by a corresponding amount, given the distance to the front. So while rear goes up a certain amount, the front will go down the same amount. It's also the same for the windage turret also located at the rear of the housing.

The scope is not "frozen" internally, it was never meant to move inside of the wain tube, unlike regular riflescopes. I have played with a Genesis 4-40X52 for a little while. It worked fine, but I do not shoot in a discipline that would sue the capabilities of the scope. Plus, as mentioned earlier, the Genesis riflescopes are FFP and I only ever shoot F-class anymore, so no need for FFP, plus 40X or 60X is not enough magnification for me anymore. The Majesta has spoiled me.

Yeah for long range I would not want FFP I want SFP with a reticle that doesn't cover the target which gets smaller the farther you are shooting. Because I mostly shoot long range, I don't like the few FFP scopes I have. They have reticles that are way too small to see when they are on say, 6 Power and the reticule is huge on 24 power. And I don't like Mils adjustments either. I tried that too and only have one left.

 

[Sniperhandle]

That is definitely thinking outside the box, Very different scope.

 

[AlNyhus]

The Ivey adjustable mounting system might be what some are remembering. -Al

 

[ISS]

IIRC, the Ivey had gotten quite expensive. $700? Oops, more like $1025 on their 2025 website.

ISS

 

[SKWERLZ]

I have never seen one in person, just have been reading reviews.
The two biggest pluses are the extreme vertical adjustment and the optical clarity due to the scopes optics staying centered at all ranges.

Does anybody here actually have one?

Before we continue

I’d love to try one of those.
400 moa is enough you’d probably need a optical offset to use all that elevation.

 

[jackieschmidt]

I’d love to try one of those.
400 moa is enough you’d probably need a optical offset to use all that elevation.

What’s an optical offset?