I'd like to see a new F class Category. "F-TAC"

[David Milisock]

All joking aside I am 100% in support of getting more ppl on the lines and realistically this is the direction the newer/younger shooters are leaning but the brakes are going to be an issue every step of the way. I don't like being around them even when I'm not shooting.

What, shooting too noisy?

 

[mattri]

When it is unnecessarily so yes.

You could say that shooting is dangerous, but we mitigate those risks and certainly don't exacerbate them- the same is true with noise.

Again, I (and anyone here prob) am 100% in favor of getting more ppl on the lines, and that will inevitably mean changes/adaptations to how matches are run.

Also brakes are obnoxious

 

[mike mccormick]

If you want to grow the sport (Shooting sports) you must be willing to try new things. If you loose one shooter but gain four you are better off.

Run some matches and try it. Work up some rules for the class. Such as rifle weight (Should it include the bipod or not?), What cartridges? Any thing except 223 and 308? Type of bipod? Folding bipods only? Think of who you are trying to attract and mimic that games rifle rules.

Really haven't seen any slowing of growth in f class. Pissing off existing competitors to bring in the prs guys is plain foolishness.

 

[mike mccormick]

I have. But if you’re going to sit and tell me I’m wrong, enlighten the world.

F class was created for sling shooters who, due to increased age or physical limitations, could no longer compete in prone matches. It was made to allow folks to keep shooting into their old age.

 

[marchx]

First off, I am neutral on the subject of attracting PRS crowd to f-class matches.
Having said that I know that such F-Tac class (could appear under different name) already exists at f-class matches outside the US. As far as I can see, a controversial subject of muzzle brakes coud be agreed upon- most of people in this thread consider no brakes a part of F-class confession of faith. I respect that.

So, why not F-tac be a prs-like rifles, no brakes, bipods and rear bags, regardless of caliber, however no magnums please.

 

[DirtySteve]

Really haven't seen any slowing of growth in f class. Pissing off existing competitors to bring in the prs guys is plain foolishness.

It would only piss off current F class shooters if the match was run in such a manner that the breaks affected the other shooters. Or if other shooters just were looking for a reason to stop shooting.

Things either adapt or die. Some times a fast death sometimes slow.

 

[mike mccormick]

It would only piss off current F class shooters if the match was run in such a manner that the breaks affected the other shooters. Or if other shooters just were looking for a reason to stop shooting.

Things either adapt or die. Some times a fast death sometimes slow.

There is no way of running a match where others will not be affected. If you were ever involved in such endeavors, you would know this. Maybe you guys with brakes should start your own matches on different days. You can all go deaf together.

 

[mike mccormick]

One thing being over looked in this thread is that, most of your better f class matches fill up in a matter of minutes anymore. The whole idea that turning away shooters that don't want to abide by the existing rules will keep the sport from growing is without merit. F class is steadily growing as is. Don't like the f class rules? Don't shoot f class. A brake will give you absolutely zero benefit in shooting a match on paper targets. The whole argument is ridiculous.

 

[DirtySteve]

How would having them on their own relay effect others? I have no dog in this fight. I DON’T SHOOT WITH A BRAKE. Well on a single rifle I have one. One rifle out of several.

How is having a discussion ridiculous? What is ridiculous is not being open minded. Some one could try it and get feedback, nothing ridiculous about it.

 

[mike mccormick]

How would having them on their own relay effect others? I have no dog in this fight. I DON’T SHOOT WITH A BRAKE. Well on a single rifle I have one. One rifle out of several.

How is having a discussion ridiculous? What is ridiculous is not being open minded. Some one could try it and get feedback, nothing ridiculous about it.

The shooters on the previous relay have to sit right there and score for you. Have you never shot a match?

 

[DirtySteve]

The shooters on the previous relay have to sit right there and score for you. Have you never shot a match?

Actually I have shot a match or two and made HM mid range. When I score I sit behind the shooter not beside the muzzle. I am done responding to you. You seem to be the type person with a problem for even solution.

 

[mike mccormick]

Actually I have shot a match or two and made HM mid range. When I score I sit behind the shooter not beside the muzzle. I am done responding to you. You seem to be the type person with a problem for even solution.

And you seem to be the type that thinks the rules are suggestions.

 

[DirtySteve]

Anyone know if rules can be changed or are they set in stone? Would it be impossible to start a whole new division in a sport? Asking for a friend..

I thought the thread was,

I'd like to see a new F class Category. "F-TAC"​

 

[Highpower-FClass]

When I score I sit behind the shooter not beside the muzzle.

There is normally a shooter to the left and to the right of each shooter. If they use brakes, the concussion from those shooters come back at the person scoring for the target between them.

 

[Will Henry]

I have competed in F class, Benchrest, and metallic silhouette. All prohibit the use of brakes. There have been times when I would have appreciated one! Nonetheless, I will continue to shoot without one. It really is that easy. WH

 

[coldboreshot]

What is the purpose of a PRS rifle platform presentation to an Fclass discipline? And what is the end game here? If there is not enough prone time in a PRS match, then the PRS series should be the responsible discipline to incorporate more time in prone or establish their own prone format matches to accomplish the request. I've spent enough time proned shooting along side other rifles equipped with muzzle brakes to know that depending on field conditions, wind direction and other contributing factors, that alot of debrit such as grass, dust and other particulates can affect yourself AND adjacent marksman as well. Ever have a mound of red ants blown onto you? Not fun!!! If Fclass discipline participants wanted to deal with these elements, they would be PRS and tac rifle competitors. The majority are not. And for good reason. Leave the fclass discipline to the fclass participants. And don't present the excuse that because across-the-course discipline uses brakes are their AR rifles, should permit PRS rifles on an fclass firing line. Have them explain that to you. You should ask the slinger community if THEY would like PRS platforms on their firing line and "stand back at a safe distance out of physical striking range." Good luck with that. Leave Fclass to Fclass, it has evolved enough.

 

[coldboreshot]

Here's an idea, why not have the PRS series establish a sub-series where they can shoot primarily in prone. On the bipod and sand bag and muzzle brakes and take advantage of the first letter of the discipline, "P" Precision. Compete on a scoring target for score or group. Oh wait...for score or group??? That sounds like benchrest. Give those folks a call.

 

[pokadex_]

Shooting guns is loud, deal with it.

 

[mattri]

Shooting guns is loud, deal with it.

Yeah be a man, throw that ear pro away! Set targets while people are shooting!! Drink and drive!!

 

[JLT]

Shooting guns is loud, deal with it.

Loud sounds are easily mitigated. Shooting prone next to a braked rifle has one looking around for a frag blanket. That's a bit more inconvenient.