I'd like to see a new F class Category. "F-TAC"

[rardoin]

I seldom post, but here goes an extraneous view. Scanned this string and comprehend varying views. How about Rambo wannabes, seldom competitors in any discipline, start their own clubs with their own ranges. I tire of putting up with a truckload of black gun blasters showing up to demonstrate their testosterone, or lack thereof, while us serious shooters are enjoying sport shooting……like yesterday in Tulsa.
From an older F Class, .22RF shooter, lifelong hunter with little tolerance for the Rambo wannabes.

Don't sugarcoat it Pete....you can express how you really feel.

A few bad apples do spoil the bushel. Thank goodness not all are like that.

True story- I was a a local 50-300yd range breaking in a barrel/forming brass. A couple of guys show up with BSR's and appear to be relatively new shooters. One had a suppressor and the other a brake. After watching Mr. Brake trying to sight in at 50yds on a 12" gong and having little success I offer some advice which was rejected. After pointing out that the ground 10ft in front of the gong had more freshly formed divots than a tee box at a beginner's driving range and suggesting he come up a few minutes of elevation, I acquiesced. About a half hour later I see him at a 300yd bench remarking that he cannot see the gong clearly but knows it is "out there". Then I hear him popping about 5 rounds and actually got a hit; a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. I was about to have a gentlemanly discussion of the range rules and the risk of shutting the whole operation down permanently if he skipped a round over the berm and it hit the farm house or barn on the property behind the range but they packed up and left.

We had a few like this show up at one range at which we hold a 600 yd Field Precision Rifle erratum- we do allow brakes in FPR, it was regular F class matches where this occurred. If they don't want to pull the brake then they cannot shoot per the rules (run like F-class but must be mag fed, front tactical type folding bipod, rear bag OK, suppressors OK). If they pulled the brake, they got to shoot and got plenty of help and education and a few turned into good competitors. The ones who left, not to return, are more likely than not ones who don't like to play by rules other than their own. I've got no patients for the latter.

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[VA_XTC_Shooter]

The way I hear it Ftr was at one time something like "hunting rifle" class. Basically, there were club matches all over encouraging people to bring their hunting rifle with a Harris bipod to increase numbers. Then it morfed into what it is today which has nothing to do with hunting rifles.

I think you are basically saying the same thing. More participation is a good thing. Let's make a competition for what the people already have to shoot.

You should be asking the people you want to show up, not the people who are already there. Because the people already there aren't going to want any changes.

Blue Ocean

 

[CharlieNC]

I like seeing new shooters and strive to help them, but some can test your limits. Last year a couple of new guys show up for a match, one lays down to my left with an AR. I nicely asked him if he had something so as not to eject the hot brass on me, and he replied he would rig up something. You guessed it, "Targets" led to the brass bombardment. Then I told him to do something, he finally did. After the first match he left, saying he had not hit the target; totally unprepared. On the other hand all of the PRS guys I've shot with would be welcomed competitors, without their brakes.

 

[Pietro panama]

Don't sugarcoat it Pete....you can express how you really feel.

A few bad apples do spoil the bushel. Thank goodness not all are like that.

True story- I was a a local 50-300yd range breaking in a barrel/forming brass. A couple of guys show up with BSR's and appear to be relatively new shooters. One had a suppressor and the other a brake. After watching Mr. Brake trying to sight in at 50yds on a 12" gong and having little success I offer some advice which was rejected. After pointing out that the ground 10ft in front of the gong had more freshly formed divots than a tee box at a beginner's driving range and suggesting he come up a few minutes of elevation, I acquiesced. About a half hour later I see him at a 300yd bench remarking that he cannot see the gong clearly but knows it is "out there". Then I hear him popping about 5 rounds and actually got a hit; a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. I was about to have a gentlemanly discussion of the range rules and the risk of shutting the whole operation down permanently if he skipped a round over the berm and it hit the farm house or barn on the property behind the range but they packed up and left.

We had a few like this show up at one range at which we hold a 600 yd Field Precision Rifle (FPR) match. If they don't want to pull the brake then they cannot shoot per the rules (run like F-class but must be mag fed, front tactical type folding bipod, rear bag OK, suppressors OK). If they pulled the brake, they got to shoot and got plenty of help and education and a few turned into good competitors. The ones who left, not to return, are more likely than not ones who don't like to play by rules other than their own. I've got no patients for the latter.

Thanks Robin. Cannot carry on a decent conversation with those types, cannot even help them. Separate club my only solution.

 

[D-4297]

When did it become NECESSARY to become "INCLUSIVE" to a group of people who don't want to follow F-Class Rules , but want to allow their equipment to be used within OUR Discipline ? Sounds really selfish of the PRS Crowd , if you ask me ! Hell NO ; I don't want to be prone next to some Wanna-Be Sniper with a Break on his rifle for twenty shot relays !

 

[drop_point]

When did it become NECESSARY to become "INCLUSIVE" to a group of people who don't want to follow F-Class Rules , but want to allow their equipment to be used within OUR Discipline ? Sounds really selfish of the PRS Crowd , if you ask me ! Hell NO ; I don't want to be prone next to some Wanna-Be Sniper with a Break on his rifle for twenty shot relays !

What makes you think PRS shooters are "Wanna-be Sniper" as you so eloquently put it?

F-Class was created because a group of shooters didn't want to follow the rules of an existing discipline.

 

[D-4297]

Been to several PRS Matches . Just the "opinion" of a former Military Sniper . They want to "create" a special "F"-Class , so be it . Not my decision to make , but let them shoot with their own people , and not screw up F-Class Matches .

 

[drop_point]

I believe you're discounting and belittling people to dismiss them all in such a way.

 

[D-4297]

You're entitled . Just as I am with mine . Guessing you're a PRS shooter .
After 26 months in RVN and numerous Gun-fights , I already have hearing damage , that can never be corrected , and cannot for the life of me , fathom why anyone would consider laying next to someone shooting a High-powered Rifle with a Muzzle Brake is a good idea .

 

[Warren Dean]

When did it become NECESSARY to become "INCLUSIVE" to a group of people who don't want to follow F-Class Rules , but want to allow their equipment to be used within OUR Discipline ? Sounds really selfish of the PRS Crowd , if you ask me ! Hell NO ; I don't want to be prone next to some Wanna-Be Sniper with a Break on his rifle for twenty shot relays !

Amen!! This inclusivity trend is asinine. If people really want to shoot F Class, they conform to the rules. Most of the newbies I have run across are very eager to learn and help is always available to them. An entitled attitude will get you nothing but ignored in the F Class world.

Every 5 or 6 years, some jackass comes along demanding the rules be altered to allow their pet rifle or gear into a 20+ year old established shooting discipline. It never goes well. The tacticool guys can make their own playground if they don't want to abide by the established rules or they can go pound sand.

 

[drop_point]

You're entitled . Just as I am with mine . Guessing you're a PRS shooter .
After 26 months in RVN and numerous Gun-fights , I already have hearing damage , that can never be corrected , and cannot for the life of me , fathom why anyone would consider laying next to someone shooting a High-powered Rifle with a Muzzle Brake is a good idea .

I shoot F-T/R.

 

[drop_point]

Amen!! This inclusivity trend is asinine. If people really want to shoot F Class, they conform to the rules. Most of the newbies I have run across are very eager to learn and help is always available to them. An entitled attitude will get you nothing but ignored in the F Class world.

Every 5 or 6 years, some jackass comes along demanding the rules be altered to allow their pet rifle or gear into a 20+ year old established shooting discipline. It never goes well. The tacticool guys can make their own playground if they don't want to abide by the established rules or they can go pound sand.

How was F-class created?

 

[rardoin]

F-Class was created because a group of shooters didn't want to follow the rules of an existing discipline.

uh…not exactly…

 

[rardoin]

How was F-class created?

Research it.

 

[drop_point]

Research it.

I have. But if you’re going to sit and tell me I’m wrong, enlighten the world.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Amen!! This inclusivity trend is asinine. If people really want to shoot F Class, they conform to the rules. Most of the newbies I have run across are very eager to learn and help is always available to them. An entitled attitude will get you nothing but ignored in the F Class world.

Every 5 or 6 years, some jackass comes along demanding the rules be altered to allow their pet rifle or gear into a 20+ year old established shooting discipline. It never goes well. The tacticool guys can make their own playground if they don't want to abide by the established rules or they can go pound sand.

I have been in Short Range Benchrest since the early 1990’s. It is difficult to remember when people did not tell us that we need to change our equipment rules and format to attract new shooters.

Perhaps we should, as our numbers have steadily dwindled through the years.

It seems that the quest for extreme precision and extreme accuracy solely for the sake of extreme precision and extreme accuracy does not have that much appeal to the majority of younger shooters.

 

[drop_point]

Curious, what kind of equipment rules have been pushed for in benchrest? I would love to try benchrest someday, but I don’t even know where it’s shot anymore. A club in shoot at used to shoot it, but it died off.

 

[JFrank]

Shouldn’t be a problem for PRS shooters to remove a muzzle brake to comply with a set of rules.
We all want to grow the sport of shooting, a little patience and explaining goes along ways.

 

[jxb]

Curious, what kind of equipment rules have been pushed for in benchrest? I would love to try benchrest someday, but I don’t even know where it’s shot anymore. A club in shoot at used to shoot it, but it died off.

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[JFrank]

Curious, what kind of equipment rules have been pushed for in benchrest? I would love to try benchrest someday, but I don’t even know where it’s shot anymore. A club in shoot at used to shoot it, but it died off.

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