jxb
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I'd like to see a new F class Category. "F-TAC"
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Warren Dean
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Google it,
Jdne5b
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that range is having a F-Tac category at the August Fclass match and allowing brakes. Perfect time to show your support. But I'd rather you join with a real fclass gun.
drop_point
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My range already does it. It doesn’t seem to cause problems.
2024 summer F-class Bash at Vaportrail Valley
Link will go live the 14th at 6pm. We are going to try a F-tac class, centered around the PRS guys. Here are the basic guidelines for F-tac. F-Tac: Open to any caliber thru .358. Shot from the ground using a Harris style bipod. Must be capable to be magazine fed. Must use a squeeze bag or...
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Not really….. George went about it through the organization and didn’t just show up to a match and expect the rules to be bent for him. He created a new division. So, no, you are not correct.You’re being a smartass but I don’t think you realize the irony of it.
“1. F-Class was named after the founder of this type of shooting: George “Farky” Farquharson of Canada. As he aged, his eyesight and unsteady muscles started giving out. He wanted to find a way to continue shooting with his longtime competition friends. So, he petitioned the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association (DCRA) to allow him to replace his iron sight with a telescopic one, and use something to rest his rifle on, rather than try to hold it still with a sling. Luckily, the DCRA granted his request.”
Hmm kinda like PRS shooters that want to petition to create a division they can use their rifles in.
In other words, my point stands
drop_point
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Nobody suggested showing up to matches expecting accommodation, or at least I don’t recall one instance of such in the thread. I hope that isn’t what you believe I’m advocating.
I believe the OP was suggesting doing exactly what George did; creating a new division.
Yes, the OP does suggest creating another division. Many posts in this thread advocate allowing ‘run what ya brung’ to an F class match. That is why Palo Alto range created the Field Precision Rifle class for ‘tactical’ type rifles. It is run on a separate schedule than HP Rifle and can use brakes. F class / sling shooters can also shoot as a practice match but must tolerate brakes. Almost all competitors run no brake or a suppressor in FPR. I think combining the two may lose more F class/ sling shooters than adding brake wielding miscreants. Just kidding about the last characterization.
I worked with George for a few years and shot with him at informal competitions. He was a great guy and a bit of an experimenter. He was, of course, a fullbore shooter. I was a benchrester and gunsmith. I didn't get involved with "F" class until guys had been shooting for two or three years and George was gone by then. From what I can gather, the issue here is simply that "F" class doesn't allow brakes. To me, the simple solution is to take off the brake. This is apparently a non-starter. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. If I screw a brake on my prone rifle, will it fit in this new class? Being a 30/40 Krag, it's not eligible for F/TR (superior cartridge and all that). WH
swd
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They sure act like it’s the end of the world! LOL
I don't think @drop_point or the other guy arguing to allow brakes in FClass are a proper representation of the PRS community.
There are a lot of ASSumptions being made by just a few posters.
I doubt your average PRS competitor would have an issue unscrewing their brake for a prone match.
That said, who thinks PRS shooters even want to shoot FClass matches? They've invested in tripods that cost $2k, binoculars and rangefinders that cost $2k+, a $2-4k FFP scope that is not optimized for FClass shooting....
I can see PRS guys showing up to some F-Tac match every once in a while, but guys that have invested that kind of money and time in PRS gear aren't going to often choose to shoot an FClass match on a weekend when a PRS match is an option.
As for the non-invested types - pretty sure they'd be fine unscrewing their brakes too...if they even have one on their rifle
With the above said, the non-invested types are much more probable to stick around and continue to shoot FClass matches - mainly because they most likely are not as competitive in PRS because they don't have the gear to score well in PRS.
So if a non-invested PRS shooter shows up to an F-Tac match and lays down next to somebody on their left and right with a brake ...I doubt they will have a good time and want to come back.
I'm really not sure why brakes are still being discussed, and I also think it's unfair to argue that the true PRS shooters are stubborn rule breakers who would refuse to easily spin off their brake.
jxb
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My thought was BR and F-Class are logical places for a PRS shooter to move to as they age out of the physical nature of it. I mean they are already into high end shooting so it makes perfect sense if they want to continue competing but their bodies say otherwise they would look to these. Of course I'd also think they would quickly build purpose built rigs for whichever they choose.
D-4297
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For those who feel that Suppressors should become mandated by the NRA , I have several thoughts on the issue .
#1 . Cost of both the suppressor , and the Federal paper-work only add to a sport that is already getting out of hand cost-wise , for the average person .
Saying you want to "Grow" the sport , and then adding that cost to a rifle , that already cost from $2,000 - $8,000 , or more is just a little silly , unless the objective is to "price" some out of shooting , so it's "Just Us" , on the firing Line . Beside that is the fact that they are not Legal in all states , but I don't know which they are out-lawed in .
#1 . Cost of both the suppressor , and the Federal paper-work only add to a sport that is already getting out of hand cost-wise , for the average person .
Saying you want to "Grow" the sport , and then adding that cost to a rifle , that already cost from $2,000 - $8,000 , or more is just a little silly , unless the objective is to "price" some out of shooting , so it's "Just Us" , on the firing Line . Beside that is the fact that they are not Legal in all states , but I don't know which they are out-lawed in .
@CA_Shooter makes a good point and not only are the prs guys vested into they’re own discipline the prize tables are much larger and generously supported by venders and manufacture’s beyond Benchrest and most likely beyond f class events.
And let's not forget there isn't a mirage shield made that will deal with the heat problems that will cause in string fire. Mandatory? That would be a stupendously silly decision on the part of the NRA, CMP or any other sanctioning body for any of the competitive disciplines. Speaking for myself, I'll quit competing if suppressors were made mandatory. Take a look at the rules as written. As is typical, rules restrict what one can use, not require that something must be used. Caliber and chambering restrictions for F-Open and F-TR notwithstanding, everything else in the rules deal with what cannot be used. One is free to shoot F-open with a sling and irons, and the same for F-TR so long as the rifle is chambered in .223 or .308. Optics, front rests/bipods, and rear bags are not required equipment.
You cannot shoot F/TR with any forward support except a bipod. So, you can't shoot over a sack of sawdust, for instance. Perhaps, one could attach a sack of sawdust, with two feet on it, to the rifle with velcro and call it a bipod. Can you imagine the protests if the competitor, so equipped, won a match!
Our local range added PRS class to the match program. And they have their own range record. And they shoot and know it’s against their style rifles. They can shoot with suppressors too. So just make whatever match program you want to and let them compete against eachother and have range records to chase after.
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