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needing assistance choosing ONE powder

good day folks,
with the lack of availability of certain powders and exorbitant prices of what is in stock, i want to ask what powder
you would purchase for the following 2 calibers and bullets i like to use.

i have a 20in bbl ar15 that i like to use only 55gr & 62gr fmjbt`s ( i load these using nato brass )
& an 18in LR308 using 150gr fmjbt`s and a 24in dpms GEN 2 that i only use sierra 168gr match bullets. ( also using nato brass )

if you had only one powder to load with these what would you elect to use?

4 powders i have been told that would satisfy each with decent ( not best ) results are: W748, V135, CFE223 & A2520

open to other ideas. thank you for any help!
 
good day folks,
with the lack of availability of certain powders and exorbitant prices of what is in stock, i want to ask what powder
you would purchase for the following 2 calibers and bullets i like to use.

i have a 20in bbl ar15 that i like to use only 55gr & 62gr fmjbt`s ( i load these using nato brass )
& an 18in LR308 using 150gr fmjbt`s and a 24in dpms GEN 2 that i only use sierra 168gr match bullets. ( also using nato brass )

if you had only one powder to load with these what would you elect to use?

4 powders i have been told that would satisfy each with decent ( not best ) results are: W748, V135, CFE223 & A2520

open to other ideas. thank you for any help!
With today's availability and prices I'd be looking only at Vhita powders. In your list of requirements you have four specific needs, if I am reading it correctly. I think you will want to list those needs by priority. Meaning which one do you shoot 75% of the time or which one do you want close to optimal burn and velocity with? Or which do you need to have a tight tune with the most?

I mention this because a ballistically efficient 55gr 223 load and and a ballistically efficient 308 168gr load are are going to be at odds with just one power. Doable, probably. But tricky at least.

However your 55gr, 62gr, and 150gr loads might be able to find a powder that does pretty well with all 3. And that could mean your 168gr load ends up with slightly less velocity because the pressure maxes out early.

Or the opposite. Prioritize the 165gr load and you may end up with more unburnt powder in your 55gr load and that would mean cleaning more often. If cleaning more often is possible, then that would be fine, but if you are doing some sort of shooting format where it is not convenient to clean after just 40 rounds, that's something to take into consideration.

My advice. Get the Vhita equivalent of H4895 for 223 and 308 cartridges if that is possible. There are conflicting views if this is N135 or N140. I have searched alot on this and the experienced guys recommended one or the other as a H4895 burn equivalent. I get the feeling it's based on the cartridge they use.

If forced to choose, I'd go with N140. but that is from research not actual use. All the Vhita charts say one thing about their burn rate equivalents, but nearly everyone agrees Vhita N135/140/150 burns faster than their charts. I expect N135 to act like close to benchmark burn rate and 140 close to H4895.

So depending on your priority rank of your loads 135 may be better of you focus on the 223 55/62 grain. Or 140 might be better if your priority is that 168gr load.

Others are going to give your grief for wanting just one powder, but I get why you would want to do that. Everyone has different situations. My situation changed and I bought 16lbs each of 135/140/150/160 this spring. Last year my situation was different and if I were buying it would have been 32lbs of 140.
 
Might give Win. Staball Match a try if you can get it. I've been playing with it in 5.56 and .308 AR'S . For now have settled on 43.8 gr. with a Nosler 168 at 2500 fps., in a 20" Armalite. SD's during load workup were almost all in single digits. Haven't done a lot with 5.56 yet but looks promising with75 grainers.
 
Win 748. I used it I 223 55grs-75gr bullets and in 308 110s-220s. That being said N 140 would be my 2nd choice (1st if price is your primary choice).
 
I've loaded thousands of 55gr FMJ for my AR's and honestly, they eat anything. I load CFE223 and Alliant 1200-R exclusively these days. My AR's are the SHTF guns where I'm not concerned with shooting sub MOA, just being accurate at 100 yards, and they are. Putting multiple hits inside a 3 inch diameter with rapid trigger pulls is what they do.
 
IMG_0644.pngIMG_0645.pngI paid $40/pound for BL-c2 a few days ago at a local shop. Here’s Powder Valley:
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With today's availability and prices I'd be looking only at Vhita powders. In your list of requirements you have four specific needs, if I am reading it correctly. I think you will want to list those needs by priority. Meaning which one do you shoot 75% of the time or which one do you want close to optimal burn and velocity with? Or which do you need to have a tight tune with the most?

I mention this because a ballistically efficient 55gr 223 load and and a ballistically efficient 308 168gr load are are going to be at odds with just one power. Doable, probably. But tricky at least.

However your 55gr, 62gr, and 150gr loads might be able to find a powder that does pretty well with all 3. And that could mean your 168gr load ends up with slightly less velocity because the pressure maxes out early.

Or the opposite. Prioritize the 165gr load and you may end up with more unburnt powder in your 55gr load and that would mean cleaning more often. If cleaning more often is possible, then that would be fine, but if you are doing some sort of shooting format where it is not convenient to clean after just 40 rounds, that's something to take into consideration.

My advice. Get the Vhita equivalent of H4895 for 223 and 308 cartridges if that is possible. There are conflicting views if this is N135 or N140. I have searched alot on this and the experienced guys recommended one or the other as a H4895 burn equivalent. I get the feeling it's based on the cartridge they use.

If forced to choose, I'd go with N140. but that is from research not actual use. All the Vhita charts say one thing about their burn rate equivalents, but nearly everyone agrees Vhita N135/140/150 burns faster than their charts. I expect N135 to act like close to benchmark burn rate and 140 close to H4895.

So depending on your priority rank of your loads 135 may be better of you focus on the 223 55/62 grain. Or 140 might be better if your priority is that 168gr load.

Others are going to give your grief for wanting just one powder, but I get why you would want to do that. Everyone has different situations. My situation changed and I bought 16lbs each of 135/140/150/160 this spring. Last year my situation was different and if I were buying it would have been 32lbs of 140.
this is exactly what i was thinking when i first thought of posting this. i did a little research on the same lines. v135 or v140. i did some reading from Glen Zediker & he also mentioned these 2 powders & h4895.
And by only choosing one powder...that is just because of shortages & pricing. i did not mean i would not buy two diff. powders, just if only one was avail. at the time i need to purchase. i do reload a lot of these 2 diff. cal.`s, usually in the K`s because i sell to my close friends who shoot the same rifles & calibers.

i have no experience using Vhit. powders other than pistol powder i use in my 1911`s.

appreciate the reply sir!
 
this is exactly what i was thinking when i first thought of posting this. i did a little research on the same lines. v135 or v140. i did some reading from Glen Zediker & he also mentioned these 2 powders & h4895.
And by only choosing one powder...that is just because of shortages & pricing. i did not mean i would not buy two diff. powders, just if only one was avail. at the time i need to purchase. i do reload a lot of these 2 diff. cal.`s, usually in the K`s because i sell to my close friends who shoot the same rifles & calibers.

i have no experience using Vhit. powders other than pistol powder i use in my 1911`s.

appreciate the reply sir!
No problem at all. If you can swing it and find the supply, id get 16lbs N135 and 16lbs of N140. Should get many K reloads out of that amount.

Oh also, get on Brownells mailing list. They will mail you when they have free hazmat. Lately it's been about every 30-45 days Then there will also be a 5 or 10% coupon you can apply on top of that. Not all their coupons apply to powder, but with enough tenacity you will find one that works. When buying 32lbs of powder a 5 or 10% coupon really helps out. The one that works on powder almost all the time is the coupon code they give you for signing up for email updates. Good luck!
 
No problem at all. If you can swing it and find the supply, id get 16lbs N135 and 16lbs of N140. Should get many K reloads out of that amount.

Oh also, get on Brownells mailing list. They will mail you when they have free hazmat. Lately it's been about every 30-45 days Then there will also be a 5 or 10% coupon you can apply on top of that. Not all their coupons apply to powder, but with enough tenacity you will find one that works. When buying 32lbs of powder a 5 or 10% coupon really helps out. The one that works on powder almost all the time is the coupon code they give you for signing up for email updates. Good luck!
sure leaning that way the more i look at this. also have Gordons Reloading Program i have been tinkering with for the loads. sure seems like that`s the way to go.
 

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