Somethings never change PT&G again

[WSnyder]

and magazines

I don’t remember the pricing but what they wanted for Glock mags was over the top ridiculous.

 

[Mike Casselton]

CTD, yeah, they got some of my money.

Once.

About 30yrs ago, I bought a pair of sunglasses from them for around $30.
Shipping and handling was like $32.

Granted, the glasses were retail over $100, but I said never again.


I really haven't bought anything from the other mentioned place since 2020. This is not the first time I have heard about the gouging.

Thanks.

 

[Sniperhandle]

CTD = cheaper than dirt.

During the pre 2016 panic. Those two places were some of the worst offenders of price gouging on 22LR, 556 ammo, and magazines... all those items that were not to be found pretty much due to hoarding. It was disgusting. I don't want to get into a big debate about it, but it was gouging in the true definition of the term not just 'what the market can bear'. They will never see a cent of my money.

Price gouging happens because of buyers that think it's the end of the world and they are willing to pay ridiculous prices. If people weren't paying it, They would have to lower the prices to move inventory. I stock up when times are good so I don't get caught up in it.

 

[kendog]

Just finished chambering a 300 WM MK13 barrel for a PT&G . Took awhile to figure out why it wouldn't close on a gage. Decided to try some ammo. This is what happened. The rivet is standing tall. Not sure if I can dress it down enough.

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Well... to be fair, this happens frequently whenever I install a riveted extractor. I always kiss the head of the new rivet on the bench grinder before peening/swaging to prevent this situation. They should have done this. Just knock it out and re install it right. My overall experience with PTG is about the same as everyone else. JGS for reamers. You get what you ask for.

 

[Liven The Dream]

Well this read has finish my idea of PTG Bolt order.
Have had good Luck with them over the years .
Yes I have waited till Hell had frost.
Buy Better Products, Cry once .

 

[tac284]

I woud send it back to pacific trash and garbage and let them fix it. But it is likely going to take a year with no guarantee it will come back any better than it is now. Time to bush it and install a mini m16 extractor. On the customers dime if possible.

“Pacific Trash and Garbage” I’m stealing that!

 

[butchlambert]

I've sent pictures and an explanation to my customer. Heading to mountains in the morning with the top down. I'll deal with it next week.

Dave, you need to get away from time to time.

 

[Tucker65]

Yeah. It's a shame... They have a lot of interesting things I'd like to have but wont take the risk.

Like this: https://pacifictoolandgauge.com/remington-tools/302-remington-700-trigger-crown-bedding-block.html

Damn Aaron, I'm surprised you haven't 3d printed up a pile of those to hand out to everyone on here.

 

[LVLAaron]

Damn Aaron, I'm surprised you haven't 3d printed up a pile of those to hand out to everyone on here.

It would be really hard to get 3d printed anything out of the mud because of the non smooth surface. I might machine one up though

 

[Skedaddle Shooter]

Spoke with my customer. He's aware of the problem dealing with PT&G. M-16 extractor time.

That’s an upgrade worth paying for

 

[Dimner]

It would be really hard to get 3d printed anything out of the mud because of the non smooth surface. I might machine one up though

slow and low, just like steaks.

Make sure you have your retraction set right, make sure you have your extruder temp near the lowest it will extrude, and use slow speeds. Should be able to print out very solid on all 6 surfaces. Afterwards, you can always fill in any small voids with CA glue and then polish smooth.

 

[Judd]

I have come to this same conclusion, except from a consumer point of view.

Make a decision to support a company with goals and values that I agree with, no matter if it costs me 10% more. The only power I have is 1) my voice and 2) the dollars in my wallet. I probably do not use #1 as much as I should, but I always use #2. My money is the way I vote and support businesses I'm proud of.

Powder Valley
Bruno's
Graf's

I will not spend money at
Natches
or CTD
PTG
not a cent.

Bruno’s was hammering us back in the Clinton days on shipping…they are one of the last ones I look at and cannot tell you the last time I ordered from them. PV recently put ridiculous limits on hazmat items and I’ve started ignoring them too. Natchez, Graf’s and Precision seem to be high in my list

 

[L.Sherm]

Bruno’s was hammering us back in the Clinton days on shipping…they are one of the last ones I look at and cannot tell you the last time I ordered from them. PV recently put ridiculous limits on hazmat items and I’ve started ignoring them too. Natchez, Graf’s and Precision seem to be high in my list

Back in those days P.V was one of the best, not anymore.

 

[boltfluter]

Bruno’s was hammering us back in the Clinton days on shipping…they are one of the last ones I look at and cannot tell you the last time I ordered from them. PV recently put ridiculous limits on hazmat items and I’ve started ignoring them too. Natchez, Graf’s and Precision seem to be high in my list

Brunos was one of the worst for gouging when things were really tight availability wise. My dollars are spent other places as I place a premium on being treated fairly. Taking advantage will always hurt a company in the long run. People have very good memories when it comes to this kind of thing.

 

[Edd]

It would be really hard to get 3d printed anything out of the mud because of the non smooth surface. I might machine one up though

If you make them as wide as a Jewell trigger, I would buy one from you.

 

[jxb]

WHAT COULD GO WRONG
Yes it would but I'm already seeing the profit on this job declining. If I figure my time dealing with the customer, who supplied the action, I'll probably be in the red.

Thanks for the offer. I think I may have a rivet somewhere.

As a person who is almost always the gunsmith's customer. If I provided you the action I would expect you to either send it back to me with an explanation of the issue so I can get it replaced and back to you, OR if it's something you could fix then I'd expect a quote for that work. I don't work for free and I certainly don't expect my gunsmith to either.

That said, if I sent you a new action and you found an issue, I'd simply get an RMA from the manu or where I got it and pay you to ship it to them so they could fix or replace. I'm not a fan of "fixing" stuff that's new, it's on them to make it right.

 

[CJ6]

As a person who is almost always the gunsmith's customer. If I provided you the action I would expect you to either send it back to me with an explanation of the issue so I can get it replaced and back to you, OR if it's something you could fix then I'd expect a quote for that work. I don't work for free and I certainly don't expect my gunsmith to either.

That said, if I sent you a new action and you found an issue, I'd simply get an RMA from the manu or where I got it and pay you to ship it to them so they could fix or replace. I'm not a fan of "fixing" stuff that's new, it's on them to make it right.

How long are you willing to wait????

 

[jxb]

How long are you willing to wait????

How long depends on what I'm waiting for. If it was going to be too long I guess I'd get a refund and buy another brand of action if I wasn't already too far into it.

My point was it's not something that's on the gunsmith, if the action/bolt has issues then the manu or retailer should make it right, then the smith can pick up once they have something they can work with and of course work it back into their schedule. One thing I've learned is quick and custom are mutually exclusive. Patience is the word of the day.

That said, I learned a long time ago if I really need something then I should have a backup plan. Some items I buy extras because I can't wait. If I was a competitive shooter and really into it, I'd have two or more of everything I couldn't be without. I'm not, so shooting related stuff I can simply wait.

 

[Walt Krafft]

How long depends on what I'm waiting for. If it was going to be too long I guess I'd get a refund and buy another brand of action if I wasn't already too far into it.

My point was it's not something that's on the gunsmith, if the action/bolt has issues then the manu or retailer should make it right, then the smith can pick up once they have something they can work with and of course work it back into their schedule. One thing I've learned is quick and custom are mutually exclusive. Patience is the word of the day.

That said, I learned a long time ago if I really need something then I should have a backup plan. Some items I buy extras because I can't wait. If I was a competitive shooter and really into it, I'd have two or more of everything I couldn't be without. I'm not, so shooting related stuff I can simply wait.

Everything you said is correct. The problem in this case, is a manufacturer that does not give refunds, takes forever, and has zero quality control.

 

[jxb]

Everything you said is correct. The problem in this case, is a manufacturer that does not give refunds, takes forever, and has zero quality control.

Well posting about stuff like this and who the seller is definitely helps folks know other folks experiences with them. However for those that did do the purchase and find themselves in this situation....

"does not give refunds" << that's why you use a CC from a company that will take care of you. I have one that if the seller wants to be a pita, they simply refund my charge and deal with it themselves. Obviously I need to have proof, but they aren't difficult to satisfy. I'm talking goods, not services.

Usually this is something I never got and shipping shows either never actually shipped or never delivered, but a couple times it was stuff that I got and had issues then the seller didn't want to make it right. I get that refusal to exchange or refund in writing then ask my cc vendor to deal with it. They simply view it as a bad charge or failure to perform on warranty. CC vendors are like anything else, there's good and bad, and then there's really good ones. I have a love and hate relationship with the one I'm referring to, but they always take care of bogus or failed purchases.