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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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I'd heard about faster tire wear on EVs, but not twice as fast. From Yahoo! Finance:

Electric vehicle (EV) adoption is being affected by an unexpected issue: accelerated tire wear. J.D. Power Director of Automotive Supplier Benchmarking and Alternative Mobility Ashley Edgar joins Yahoo Finance Wealth! to discuss the implications of this problem.

According to Edgar, EV owners' tires are wearing out "twice as fast" as those on gas-powered vehicles. " ... there's a difference between expectations, roughly 18% in terms of what they think they're going to get versus what they actually get, ICE versus BEV. But when the difference comes in, we really look at the actual replacement time, and there's a 53% difference."

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Looking at Tire Rack's web site, the cheapest tires listed for a Tesla Model S run (per tire, in my zip code) $231 front, $289 rear. The next cheapest tires run $277 front, $366 rear.
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Some of this is due to the tire compounds used to get lower rolling resistance (higher efficiency) and part of this is due to the weight of the vehicles. No free lunch.
I have some lead-footed friends who can't help themselves but apply the torque these things have and they go through tires surprisingly quick as a result. Just the cost of playing with fancy cars.
 
For some one who has a short commute, and no unexpected trips during the workday, I think they are made to order for a user like the USPS, same route every day and they could arrange the routes to meet the capability of the EV. All they need to do is make them cheaper, more dependable, longer range, fireproof, faster to take a charge, lighter, develop a battery that can be recycled, and find a way to mine the materials for the battery without using child labor, or adults in unsafe conditions, and improve the electric grid to accommodate more EVs. Thats all they need to be a good solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
 
Some of this is due to the tire compounds used to get lower rolling resistance (higher efficiency) and part of this is due to the weight of the vehicles. No free lunch.
I have some lead-footed friends who can't help themselves but apply the torque these things have and they go through tires surprisingly quick as a result. Just the cost of playing with fancy cars.
Yep. But there are some folks buying them to save money on gasoline over the next five or ten years. It may pencil out but they never factor in tires.
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Just wondering what the weight might be on a typical EV sedan -- comparable to something like a Toyota Rav4 or sum-such. jd
 
Just wondering what the weight might be on a typical EV sedan -- comparable to something like a Toyota Rav4 or sum-such. jd
I was curious too.
I did just a quick Google search and see that the topic can affect tax write offs for corporate business deductions, so there are lots of articles about taking tax write offs for Teslas.

Tesla X goes over 6000 lbs and can qualify for business deductions when set up properly.
https://www.taxfyle.com/blog/list-of-vehicles-over-6000-lbs

A Toyota Rav4 weighs between 4610 to 4705
A Rav4 Hybrid is roughly 4920
And a Rav4 Prime is roughly 5530
So by comparison the Rav4 electric adds about 18% weight burden to the tires or roughly 872 pounds more.
The 6000/4658 comparison between a Tesla X and a Rav4 is roughly 29% heavier.

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The thing is, the Tesla generates so much linear torque and horsepower and the CG is slung so low, you don't feel the inertia or weight, you just feel the power to weight ratio.
I have had to pull several Teslas out of the mountains or mud, and when your strap tightens you can tell they are not like a typical sedan. They really should put a larger fitting on them for pulling them.
 
I bought a '23 GTI a bit less than a year ago. I just bought a '24 GTI about a month ago, you know, a spare. Not playing into that lectricical car crap.

Danny
 
Best bet is to just buy a Toyota camry/corolla hybrid. Wife has a Camry hybrid and it gets 40-45 mpg. Plus you can't beat Toyotas reliability. Plus they have the best hybrid technology 10x over.

Full electric is a joke, just like our government...hahaha
 
Elon Musk is nothing if not dogged. The broader public is never going to trust fully self-driving (FSD) cars. Let's start with that. But, of course Elon doesn't listen to me. This from SeekingAlpha this morning.
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Jackie,

Does your BEV allow you to toggle or modulate regenerative braking?

I drove in a friend's Ioniq yesterday, and couldn't understand why he drove so herky-jerky. Then I realized it was the regen braking. In an ICE when you lift off the throttle, the car coasts and you don't necessarily feel any deceleration. When he lifted off the go button, it felt as if he instantly tapped the brakes. Like someone who drives an automatic with right foot on the gas pedal, and left foot on the brake pedal. Disconcerting for a passenger.
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The generic term is called "one-peddle" driving.
I drove my friend's Bolt and the mode is toggled on and off by the paddle on the steering wheel.
 
From Yahoo Finance:

Automotive research firm J.D. Power’s highly watched initial quality study is out — and it appears EVs are giving consumers big headaches.

J.D. Power’s study tracks responses from nearly 100,000 purchasers and lessees of 2024 vehicles within the first 90 days of ownership, and for the first time in the study’s 38-year history, it incorporates repair visit data. Overall, internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles averaged 180 PP100 (or 180 problems per 100 vehicles), while battery electric vehicles (BEVs) averaged a whopping 266 PP100, 86 points higher than ICE vehicles.
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Automakers have typically said that EVs are generally less problematic and require fewer repairs than ICE vehicles because they have a smaller number of parts and systems. However, J.D. Power's study with newly incorporated repair data shows EVs, as well as plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), require more repairs than gas-powered vehicles in all repair categories.

“Owners of cutting edge, tech-filled BEVs and PHEVs are experiencing problems that are of a severity level high enough for them to take their new vehicle into the dealership at a rate three times higher than that of gas-powered vehicle owners,” wrote Frank Hanley, senior director of auto benchmarking at J.D. Power, in the study.
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Spot on.

These vehicles may have fewer parts, but their systems are more complex. My experience with EVs has highlighted issues primarily in two areas: infotainment and battery packs. Inside these battery packs, a complex network of modules communicates with both the primary ECU and each other, using both hard-wired and wireless connections. If any internal module that monitors voltage, heat, etc., fails to communicate, it can create a fault that may deny propulsion. This fault doesn't necessarily indicate a problem with the actual battery, but because it is responsible for thermal and HV safety, propulsion is denied if it can't communicate.

Infotainment systems, adaptive cruise control, collision avoidance, assisted parking, lane departure, 360-degree cameras, etc., are complex systems that communicate across multiple buses. Any glitch can create issues.

Many of these concerns can often be corrected with software updates. However, software itself is complex. New vehicles, both EVs and ICE, have firewalls that make programming a challenge. Often, a new module may fail during programming and require replacement. I could elaborate endlessly on this topic(but won't)

As with any new technology, there will be growing pains in the foreseeable future. In my opinion, both EVs and ICE vehicles have their place. It should be a personal choice, and the market should drive the technology, not immediate government policies.

My observations of late is that at the dealership level, EV inventory is higher than expected.
 
Spot on.

These vehicles may have fewer parts, but their systems are more complex. My experience with EVs has highlighted issues primarily in two areas: infotainment and battery packs. Inside these battery packs, a complex network of modules communicates with both the primary ECU and each other, using both hard-wired and wireless connections. If any internal module that monitors voltage, heat, etc., fails to communicate, it can create a fault that may deny propulsion. This fault doesn't necessarily indicate a problem with the actual battery, but because it is responsible for thermal and HV safety, propulsion is denied if it can't communicate.

Infotainment systems, adaptive cruise control, collision avoidance, assisted parking, lane departure, 360-degree cameras, etc., are complex systems that communicate across multiple buses. Any glitch can create issues.

Many of these concerns can often be corrected with software updates. However, software itself is complex. New vehicles, both EVs and ICE, have firewalls that make programming a challenge. Often, a new module may fail during programming and require replacement. I could elaborate endlessly on this topic(but won't)

As with any new technology, there will be growing pains in the foreseeable future. In my opinion, both EVs and ICE vehicles have their place. It should be a personal choice, and the market should drive the technology, not immediate government policies.

My observations of late is that at the dealership level, EV inventory is higher than expected.
As gadgets and widgets have increased on all vehicles, the problems of interfacing all of the modules has become an engineering marvel or night mare. How you see that is basically determined if you are a driver, or provide service.

The EV’s tend to be worse simply because they are on the cutting edge of a lot of new technology. Rivian provided the latest great example of this earlier this month. The new generation of vehicles for 2025, have 9 less modules, and 1.5 miles less wiring. In theory the driver should not any difference other that extended range due to about 45 pounds lost.

An article that details some of the technology issues that also sight Chrysler doin the same on an ICE.
 
My bro has a Prius, probably close to 170K now. He says it's the least cost/least headache car he's ever owned. I helped him replace his battery pack at 150K, not because he needed to, but because he noted his battery only mileage had decreased by ~30%. He sold the old battery pack on flea-bay for half the cost of his new one.
A co-worker who has a brutal, 60 mile commute through the worst traffic, bought a Tesla with the driver assist. He loves it. Says he gets to his destination relaxed and well rested.
Me, I will always drive a dino powered, guzzling 4x4, unrepentantly. I have motorcycles for when I want to save gas. I ride year round.
 
My bro has a Prius, probably close to 170K now. He says it's the least cost/least headache car he's ever owned.
Hybrid. And a Toyota as well (A+) Any vehicle that runs on abundant, convenient, cheap liquid fuel will sell like hotcakes.
A co-worker who has a brutal, 60 mile commute through the worst traffic, bought a Tesla with the driver assist. He loves it. Says he gets to his destination relaxed and well rested.
When the driver assist eventually glitches, he'll likely not be around to tell you the story. But, he'll be well rested.
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When the driver assist eventually glitches, he'll likely not be around to tell you the story. But, he'll be well rested.
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Agreed. He and I were discussing this at my colleague's funeral. I warned him of the bugs in self-driving mode, some of which I've experienced in other cars.
Speaking of schmidt that doesn't work, my colleague died of an aortic aneurysm at 43. He was an oak, and cardiac issues were not in his family. Some of us quietly wondered whether a certain vaccine had anything to do with it.
 
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