Best 22-250 brass? Norma??

[bozo699]

I've been very lucky with Winchester Brass when it comes to common cartridges like 223r, 243w, 7mm08 & 308w.

I also have Lapua brass for the cartridges I' mentioned... and I still choose Winchester because of how long it lasts and because I'm not a BR competitor I've not seen any difference in accuracy between Winchester and Lapua brass.

Zero333,
Out of the “common” Brass I totally agree it’s good brass, I personally think Lapua is better but :
Winchester
Hornaday
Remington
Federal
And other smaller manufacturers of brass I like Winchester above all the rest.
Wayne

 

[Crumster]

I've been very lucky with Winchester Brass when it comes to common cartridges like 223r, 243w, 7mm08 & 308w.

I also have Lapua brass for the cartridges I' mentioned... and I still choose Winchester because of how long it lasts and because I'm not a BR competitor I've not seen any difference in accuracy between Winchester and Lapua brass.

I think Winchester brass is great for 22-250, but the last ones I bought for my .308, in the plastic bag had terrible case mouths, They were ragged inside and outside, and some were not exactly round, It was a lot of work to prep for loading. They are tough as nails, but I remember actually having to shorten from their original length.

Anybody use or like Nosler brass?

How about Starline?

 

[358WCF]

How about Starline?

??? Cant get there from here.

Rifle Brass | Rifle, Handgun, and Pistol Brass

I've been using the same lot of WW since 1990 in my Ackley. They work well & last for 8-10 full tilt firings. Still have some virgins left. Will be trying them in my new (to me) standard 22-250 alongside Lapua to see how much of difference there is... if this damned wind ever stops.

 

[Crumster]

??? Cant get there from here.

Rifle Brass | Rifle, Handgun, and Pistol Brass

I've been using the same lot of WW since 1990 in my Ackley. They work well & last for 8-10 full tilt firings. Still have some virgins left. Will be trying them in my new (to me) standard 22-250 alongside Lapua to see how much of difference there is... if this damned wind ever stops.

I hear you on all points. I am waiting on Wison for a die, so I am going to have a wait anyway. Think I'll just keep monitoring here before I take the plunge on brass, The way this Tikka 595 is shooting, I see no reason at all why a guy would be ashamed to go up against the special purpose "varmint for score" competition rifles. Only drawback that's obvious is that I won't have the help touching scorings rings that the larger calibers have. With all this in mind, I'm kind of leaning toward Lapua.

 

[searcher]

I have sworn by Federal nickel brass from way back, and I still think it's the best I have ever shot. I went through 2 full seasons of hunter benchrest on my original 25 pieces of that brass and it was as good at the end as it was in the beginning. Of course, I was not running it through a FL die either. I would love to find some of that for this gun, but like so many other components, it's hard to find. I actually tried some nickel Remington brass in my Tikka thinking that perhaps it had changed, and that maybe the plating would help, but what I found was that I could hardly even read the head stamp after one firing!!

I have some Federal .308 Win. nickel brass marked "Match" on the boxes. I used to shoot that exclusively in my match M1-A because it cycled SOOO smoothly. What caliber were you looking for?

 

[searcher]

??? Cant get there from here.

Rifle Brass | Rifle, Handgun, and Pistol Brass

I've been using the same lot of WW since 1990 in my Ackley. They work well & last for 8-10 full tilt firings. Still have some virgins left. Will be trying them in my new (to me) standard 22-250 alongside Lapua to see how much of difference there is... if this damned wind ever stops.

I think the WW brass is pretty under rated. I get about 12 full-power firings on my 7 MM Rem Mag. At the price point - pretty darned good deal. In my 1/2" MOA rifle I shoot it from (a BAT custom), it groups as well as my Lapua brass. I'd opt for that over Hornady or Nosler. The Lapua is a no-brainer, but a lot of people using it in hunting rifles will have a hard time wearing out the Winchester as most aren't shooting their rifles as much as target shooters.

 

[jxb]

Yeah I drive my 7mag hard, but as a hunting rifle and lots of once fired brass for it I'm not sure I'll get enough use to ever see issues regardless of brass. I tend to load in lots of 100 or more so takes a while to go through it.

 

[Crumster]

Ok, I'll bite. What is "partizan" brass? I thought the Ukraine was on the other end of buy/sell.

 

[358WCF]

Ok, I'll bite. What is "partizan" brass? I thought the Ukraine was on the other end of buy/sell.

Prvi Partizan Brass 22-250 Remington Unprimed Bag of 50 - Graf & Sons

Imported from Serbia. Fully reloadable brass cases. Accept boxer primers. This is not loaded ammunition.

www.grafs.com

 

[pdhntr]

Back in the day, I could have answered this myself, but it isn't back in the day any more. Looks like I have aseveral choices now on new unfired brass.......NORMA? Hornady, Nosler, Lapua or Winchester. There is also Remington, but I know better than that. There's quite a few considerations, but here's not a better place in the world to ask than right here.

The issue in the following thread has been going on for years but I figured I would bring it up. I have experienced it myself, but you can do with the information what you please.

Jim

22-250 + Lapua Brass

 

[Crumster]

The issue in the following thread has been going on for years but I figured I would bring it up. I have experienced it myself, but you can do with the information what you please.

Jim

22-250 + Lapua Brass

Great wealth of info. Excuse my ignorance on terminology re: "clinker"

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

I hear you on all points. I am waiting on Wison for a die, so I am going to have a wait anyway. Think I'll just keep monitoring here before I take the plunge on brass, The way this Tikka 595 is shooting, I see no reason at all why a guy would be ashamed to go up against the special purpose "varmint for score" competition rifles. Only drawback that's obvious is that I won't have the help touching scorings rings that the larger calibers have. With all this in mind, I'm kind of leaning toward Lapua.

is your tikka 595 a sporter model or varmint?

 

[Crumster]

is your tikka 595 a sporter model or varmint?

Varmint.

 

[bozo699]

Great wealth of info. Excuse my ignorance on terminology re: "clinker"

I think he meant to say clicker
Wayne

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

Varmint.

hard to come by and supposed to be real good!

 

[Crumster]

I think he meant to say clicker
Wayne

Not only ignorant about definition, but it looks like I can't spell it either! Yes, I meant "clicker". I have been reloading since abbot '67, but that term is new to me.

 

[Crumster]

in hard to come by and supposed to be real good!

Yes, a fellow member took pity on me. A real gentleman from here in Washington. He offered the rifle, and detailed record of every single shot ever fired (which was not many (sub 1/4" group for instance!)

 

[bozo699]

Not only ignorant about definition, but it looks like I can't spell it either! Yes, I meant "clicker". I have been reloading since abbot '67, but that term is new to me.

When your brass gets too big at the .200 line when you open your bolt you get a distinct click on primary extraction.
Wayne

 

[pdhntr]

Great wealth of info. Excuse my ignorance on terminology re: "clinker"

As Wayne posted, a "clicker" is when you fire and go to remove the round, the bolt moves up but stops just before camming up all the way. You put more pressure on it as the round is stuck in the chamber. When enough pressure is put on the bolt the round breaks free usually making a clicking noise.

Most common cause is the web on the round is too large in diameter for your chamber. The web diameter on different manufacturers brass is all over the place. There are SAAMI and CIP chambers and cases. Usually you can find a smaller die to further size the web if the difference between your case and chamber is large enough. Clickers can be bad enough that you may have to tap on the bolt handle with something, and hope it doesn't break off. (Remingtons)

If you refer to page three of the above thread, you will see a few web measurements given. It is very hard to measure your chamber to figure out what is going to give you issues when you fire them. They will chamber just fine, but will cause all kinds of grief when fired.

My 22-250 chambers will fire the .461-.462 which used to be the standard with no problems. I have some Norma 22-250 that is .463-.464 and would give me occasional clickers until I started using a smaller base die for them. So that is the limit of my chamber so to speak.

I have new Norma 6XC that measures .466-.467. There is no way they can be sized down to work using reasonable sizing methods.

Everyone wants Lapua 22-250 brass, but it is a gamble wether it will work or not.

Jim

 

[Crumster]

As Wayne posted, a "clicker" is when you fire and go to remove the round, the bolt moves up but stops just before camming up all the way. You put more pressure on it as the round is stuck in the chamber. When enough pressure is put on the bolt the round breaks free usually making a clicking noise.

Most common cause is the web on the round is too large in diameter for your chamber. The web diameter on different manufacturers brass is all over the place. There are SAAMI and CIP chambers and cases. Usually you can find a smaller die to further size the web if the difference between your case and chamber is large enough. Clickers can be bad enough that you may have to tap on the bolt handle with something, and hope it doesn't break off. (Remingtons)

If you refer to page three of the above thread, you will see a few web measurements given. It is very hard to measure your chamber to figure out what is going to give you issues when you fire them. They will chamber just fine, but will cause all kinds of grief when fired.

My 22-250 chambers will fire the .461-.462 which used to be the standard with no problems. I have some Norma 22-250 that is .463-.464 and would give me occasional clickers until I started using a smaller base die for them. So that is the limit of my chamber so to speak.

I have new Norma 6XC that measures .466-.467. There is no way they can be sized down to work using reasonable sizing methods.

Everyone wants Lapua 22-250 brass, but it is a gamble wether it will work or not.

Jim

Thanks Jim, you may have saved me some grief. Sometimes I get wrapped up in that syndrome where price, and/or scarcity equates to quality or usefulness.