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It has not been implemented, and not likely to be. I do not support such mandatory sales quotas. It might very well get there though. Plug in vehicles were nearly 10% of sales last year. Though sales do appear to be slowing their year over year increases.
With the stroke of a pen, the EPA can set mileage goals that can't reasonably be met by the auto industry. And they are considering it.
The Federal government is subsidizing the auto industry's production of EV''s with OUR tax money. For instance Elon Musk made $513 million dollars in environmental credits issued by governments around the world because he manufactured EVs and he was able to sell these credits to other auto makers who couldn't meet environmental requirements.
I really don't care either way. For me, at my age, I don't plan to ever buy another vehicle, but if I do, it will be a cheap/throw away internal combustion engine car. The main point of my post is that if they had started an organized and thoughtful transition to EVs in areas where EVs could be used to meet the needs of people living there, and if they had strengthened the electrical grid to support those areas, they might have started a change that could be sustainable (I really hate to use that stupid word).
But, they didn't. And the whole (solar, wind, and EVS) change to sustainable energy is crumbling. Because it's a liberal/elite pipe dream that is not based on reality. The reality is that the expense of the whole pipe dream is on us, the average guy. And it's based on faulty and manipulated science. This country is on shaky ground.
Bacon is really important.
Second most important thing about EV is the question I've not seen answered here: What is an average 60 to 120 mph time for one of these EVs?
Bacon is really important.
Second most important thing about EV is the question I've not seen answered here: What is an average 60 to 120 mph time for one of these EVs?
That's great for embarrassing a conventional muscle car on a merging freeway ramp. That 600 hp gas guzzler is toast!
Road race? Different story. I'll beat any EV in a 500 mile road race, driving my 100-hp '92 Civic with a 11-gallon fuel tank and 250k miles on the original engine - won't even pass a smog test, it's so worn out. The EV driver can choose her preferred stretch of highway based on supercharge station locations or whatever, anywhere in the USA, and drive as fast as she cares to. I'll simply drive the posted speed limit and beat her to 500 miles by at least an hour.
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That's great for embarrassing a conventional muscle car on a merging freeway ramp. That 600 hp gas guzzler is toast!
Road race? Different story. I'll beat any EV in a 500 mile road race, driving my 100-hp '92 Civic with a 11-gallon fuel tank and 250k miles on the original engine - won't even pass a smog test, it's so worn out. The EV driver can choose her preferred stretch of highway based on supercharge station locations or whatever, anywhere in the USA, and drive as fast as she cares to. I'll simply drive the posted speed limit and beat her to 500 miles by at least an hour.
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I don't care how fast it can go. The majority of Teslas I encounter on the freeways here in SOCAL are rolling obstructions. Often they are side by side locked together blocking. I coined this type of blockage as "The Tesla Reach Around"
You can have a Rib-Eye grilled on the BBQ, or you can have a Rib-Eye cooked in the microwave, for me the Tesla is the one cooked in the microwave.
For those complaining about subsidies and tax credits for EVs and EV infrastructure, this is the norm, not an exception. Government support for electric vehicles is just a tiny drop in the bucket of government subsidies.
1. The US subsidized the construction of railroads by giving RR companies HUGE land grants along their ROW in the west. See link below.
2. We subsidized the airline industry by building airports at taxpayer expense.
3. We subsidized auto makers by building a national highway system with federal dollars, for “national defense” - yeah, right.
4. We subsidize professional sports by building stadiums with tax dollars.
5. We subsidized lumber companies by selling the timber in our national forests to them at bargain basement prices.
6. We sold leases for oil and gas wells on public lands for rock bottom prices.
7. We let private insurance industries make money off “Medicare advantage“ plans. See link below.
8. Agricultural subsidies, including tobacco subsidies, and paying people not to grow certain crops, has been going on for almost 100 years. See link below.
9. Federally guaranteed student loans at public and private universities, which have essentially subsidized the cost of these universities which are now supported by federally subsidized tuition.
10. FmHA, VA and HUD housing loans, SBA loans, and bank bailouts (“too big to fail”). Especially loans where the federal government guarantees payment to the bank, if the borrower fails to pay.
Subsidizing EVs and charging stations is no different. It is the same thing as the benefits these other industries receive still today. I can add many more if you’re not convinced.
The people criticizing EV subsidies likely benefited from a federal subsidy, or a guaranteed loan, at some point in their life.
All we are doing is picking who gets the subsidies, and who doesn’t. There’s not a ton of virtue in that.
(I received a $7500 credit from Toyota leasing, when I leased my electric vehicle. I immediately turned around and applied it and other money to buy out the lease after one payment, with a net savings of about $6500. Toyota Leasing could get the federal tax credit, but I could not, because the car was not made in the US. But they could pass it on to me as a price reduction if I leased the car. The lease allows me to buy it out after one payment. There’s no rule that they have to pass it on to the lessee. See link below.)
The point is that the federal government and state governments subsidize many industries and enterprises. Our road systems were designed around gas operated vehicles, at government expense. Somebody had good lobbyist. Criticizing the subsidy for electric vehicles may be a little hypocritical at this point, unless the railroads give back that land.
If you are deciding whether to lease or buy an electric vehicle, here is what you need to know about how the EV lease tax credit works and whether it will be eliminated under Trump.
I don't care how fast it can go. The majority of Teslas I encounter on the freeways here in SOCA are rolling obstructions. Often they are side by side locked together blocking. I coined this type of blockage as "The Tesla Reach Around"
You can have a Rib-Eye grilled on the BBQ, or you can have a Rib-Eye cooked in the microwave, for me the Tesla is the one cooked in the microwave.
So SoCal has Tesla convoys? I drive there often, must have missed them all. And I really have no idea what you mean by microwave steak. It really makes little sense. I assume you do not care for Teslas. OK. Either do I. A question was asked, and I provided an answer. Please do not buy a Tesla?
It was -17 Fahrenheit in the park last week. I decided to not push it, and to not drive up there and park at the trailhead all day. Too d——— cold. But at that temperature, my previous ice vehicle probably wouldn’t have started either at the end of the day.
So SoCal has Tesla convoys? I drive there often, must have missed them all. And I really have no idea what you mean by microwave steak. It really makes little sense. I assume you do not care for Teslas. OK. Either do I. A question was asked, and I provided an answer. Please do not buy a Tesla?
If you are redefining "Convoy" to mean two vehicles side by side holding up traffic, then yes, we have many Tesla convoys. On your advice I will avoid buying a Tesla, thanks for the heads up.
@fn1889m, all those subsidies were for infrastructure and to develop the country and economy. Subsidizing charging networks qualifies, and I can accept that within limits (not however to hundreds of $billions in a decade!)
But there's never been a massive subsidy for a particular design of a consumer product such as motor vehicles. Those kickbacks benefit only well-off people. The most needy, who can barely, if at all, afford to buy the smallest, cheapest car availabe today, can never partake of those handouts. They must feel like the family dog drooling in the corner at Christmas dinner.
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For those complaining about subsidies and tax credits for EVs and EV infrastructure, this is the norm, not an exception. Government support for electric vehicles is just a tiny drop in the bucket of government subsidies.
Many of the subsidies you listed make this country run. Some helped this nation grow. Many lined the elites pockets and have contributed to our nation's debt of 34 trillion dollars. The United States is subsidizing it's existence and wealth of the few by printing money. By the way, your portion of this debt is roughly $100K.
If a subsidied endeavor is good it can, at some point, exist without the subsidy.
If it is for profit or a pipe dream or to further control a population or based on a lie (climate change) - it cannot exist without the subsidy.
I can say I don't like any subsidy, period unless it leads to a profitable business that leads to not needing the subsidy.
A bank subsidizes a new business with a loan. What happens if that business can't make enough money to support it self and pay the loan back?
If you are redefining "Convoy" to mean two vehicles side by side holding up traffic, then yes, we have many Tesla convoys. On your advice I will avoid buying a Tesla, thanks for the heads up.
It was a possible solution to your dilemma. Not really a suggestion or advice. Hence the question mark. I am intrigued by the seeming attraction of Teslas that cause them to join together. Do you have a theory on that? Could it be that your extreme dislike of the vehicles causes the disgust you feel when two are side-by-side to be squared, and it is actually just happenstance? Hmmm....
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