Turban Single Stage Press, Review, The basics. (120)

[marine52]

Rcvd the new a couple weeks back everything went well.
Its a 2 man shop they can only do so much so fast.
Thx.
G.

Good news! You will love it.

 

[Area51]

So the second P Turban press showed up a couple weeks back.
Yes I have x2 now, the medium and the smiled, which is the right one for most people.
What a wonderful instrument.
Is it worth the wait- Yes
Is it worth the money- Yes
Is it better than the 419 which i have also, Yes, but the 419 dies only work in the 419 press right now.
WTC dies take 1-2 years maybe if they feel like it, got real tired of waiting and nothing,.
If you like these sorts of toys you will not be disappointed.
However, it is a luxury item, no doubt.
Acid

 

[Area51]

Good news! You will love it.

Like BAT actions, ya gotta loveem.
Or like a really well done 1911, a mechanical joy, race engine stuff.

 

[marine52]

Like BAT actions, ya gotta loveem.
Or like a really well done 1911, a mechanical joy, race engine stuff.

Yes. It’s the “Les Baer” of presses.

BTW, I called WTC at the end of August of 2023 and Alan had my die to me before the end of September. Must be a timing thing. Alan and Dan Warner (father and son team) seem very similar to Christian and Thomas Turban (another father and son team). They both produce a top quality over-engineered product with incredibly tight tolerances and they won’t let products that don’t meet their standards leave their shops.

 

[ISS]

I can relate; quality VS cost. I have a PTE 220 air rifle I ordered in late November. They are a four man shop in the Netherlands. Think $5,000 or so delivered. Nothing but the best components. Krieger barrel, B&A trigger, GRS laminate stock. About six months from order to delivery in the US. They build them to order, to your specs, one at a time. They are a joy to own, to put against your shoulder, and the accuracy is amazing.

For me, it is not as much purchase price, but the hundreds of hours of enjoyment.

Overkill IS highly under rated... Nothing like getting on the horn and calling in an Arc Light...

ISS

 

[M-61]

Its just a ways down the list on what matters.

Exactly

 

[M-61]

Eliminating tolerances matters

Well yes. But that is in the die and how it’s set up.
What actually inserts the case into the die..
well it makes no difference at all.
Looks is another matter.
The group size another matter still but unrelated to the press.

 

[marine52]

…What actually inserts the case into the die..
well it makes no difference at all…

I disagree. Bumping case shoulders is a critical step in reloading and having a press with almost no slack in its moving parts will help produce a consistent bump assuming you start with quality brass and you anneal. My old RCBS presses had slack and if I wanted a consistent bump, I had to have a good solid contact between die and shell holder (cam over). The Prazi just makes it easier to get that consistent shoulder bump every time.

 

[M-61]

I disagree. Bumping case shoulders is a critical step in reloading and having a press with almost no slack in its moving parts will help produce a consistent bump assuming you start with quality brass and you anneal. My old RCBS presses had slack and if I wanted a consistent bump, I had to have a good solid contact between die and shell holder (cam over). The Prazi just makes it easier to get that consistent shoulder bump every time.

I respect your opinion.
Bumping shoulders (everything is my opinion) is to correct a problem. (Hard bolt closure for one)
The less I work the brass the happier I and the group are.
Slop in a press (rubber ‘o’ ring under the die for example) allows the brass to self center in the all important die. When you have no slop (or ‘o’) ring you are forcing the brass into the die. If you need to bump the shoulder, a properly set up and locked up die is all that’s needed.
Like beautiful jewelry finished brass, the press is attractive.
But does nothing for the group size at all.

 

[M-61]

Here’s what counts to me

 

[Dave M.]

I disagree. Bumping case shoulders is a critical step in reloading and having a press with almost no slack in its moving parts will help produce a consistent bump assuming you start with quality brass and you anneal. My old RCBS presses had slack and if I wanted a consistent bump, I had to have a good solid contact between die and shell holder (cam over). The Prazi just makes it easier to get that consistent shoulder bump every time.

I can hold +/-.0005” shoulder bump all day long on single stage hood press and a custom full length bushing die. When I use this same die with my single stage Hornady L-n-L classic I still only accept +/-.0005” measure bump on my brass, but out of 200 cases I will only have 5-6 out of tolerance on the Hood, but usually 8-9 pieces on the Hornady. Controlling shoulder bump is mostly about the die and setup in my opinion. I don’t need a $1000 press to control bump. For what it’s worth, I bump my brass .0005”-.001” max. Never more. I think most guys are overbumping their brass, especially for precision actions like Panda, BAT M and Nuevo LR.
Dave

 

[wjdell]

Turban press - It's been 3 yrs since the posts here. My question is has total process time improved in 2024. and about how long it takes to get it through customs. They said two weeks and I will get a bill. Then they will ship. But then how long customs GERMANY AND USA. Anyone hear anything.

 

[ISS]

Nice promo ad.

A new barrel might do the same thing.

ISS

 

[ShaunW]

I have a Prazi 105 that I like. It sizes better than Area419 press when it comes to stout brass.