F Class rule changes?!?

[Ned Ludd]

I'm curious why a binocular spotting scope would be considered that much of an advantage in the first place. I understand how the optic itself might be an advantage, but that would be offset by having to move one's head from the binos to the rifle scope. Sure, that kind of a physical transition between optics could be practiced and expedited while shooting, but the amount of time it takes to do that will never be zero. Unless you have certain, shall we say "notable", physical characteristics (image below), it is physically impossible to look through a binocular spotting scope with both eyes at the exact same time as you are looking through the rifle scope. Thus, the condition changing during the switch between optics would always be a concern.



Regardless, the NRA doesn't need to be regulating what we spend on equipment. Should they now tell everyone that purchased a March Majesta scope that they're out of luck because not every schlep that shoots F-Class can afford one? I'd love to see how that would go over. I understand that in this particular case, money was apparently not the issue. Nonetheless, I am aware of an instance where the cost of a particular item was being considered as a potential reason to ban its use. Ultimately, the decision regarding that item was indefinitely postponed, but the notion that it was too expensive was being considered by members of the rules committee. So its not like that couldn't ever happen.

 

[dcali]

This is my first real year shooting F-Class and have hear from a credible source that there may some rule changes coming about. The two biggest one that caught my eye were outlawing the BTX dual eye piece spotting scope from Swarovski and the outlawing of Serbs Neo X delrin sides.

The explanation I got was that the BTX eye piece is expensive and not affordable to everyone. It creates a "disadvantage". Has anyone heard about this??

I can understand keeping the playing field somewhat equal in certain classes, but OPEN in my opinion should be "open" and there will never be equality as some people but their hard earned pennies in bullet making, some in March Majesta scopes, and some in 2-3 different back up rifles to shoot team and individuals with. Anyways I'm not trying to stir crap up just wondering if this may be true and I this is common in F Class.

Some people shoot. Some people collect gear. Some people do both. Lets not confuse "want" and "need".

 

[Stjs45]

I'm curious why a binocular spotting scope would be considered that much of an advantage in the first place. I understand how the optic itself might be an advantage, but that would be offset by having to move one's head from the binos to the rifle scope. Sure, that kind of a physical transition between optics could be practiced and expedited while shooting, but the amount of time it takes to do that will never be zero. Unless you have certain, shall we say "notable", physical characteristics (image below), it is physically impossible to look through a binocular spotting scope with both eyes at the exact same time as you are looking through the rifle scope. Thus, the condition changing during the switch between optics would always be a concern.

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Regardless, the NRA doesn't need to be regulating what we spend on equipment. Should they now tell everyone that purchased a March Majesta scope that they're out of luck because not every schlep that shoots F-Class can afford one? I'd love to see how that would go over. I understand that in this particular case, money was apparently not the issue. Nonetheless, I am aware of an instance where the cost of a particular item was being considered as a potential reason to ban its use. Ultimately, the decision regarding that item was indefinitely postponed, but the notion that it was too expensive was being considered by members of the rules committee. So its not like that couldn't ever happen.

I think the concern of the banning is not while shooting but as a coach behind the line. If you were at nationals the two top teams all had a line of them. And am I on a team?!? the answer is no, but I come from a shooting practice that makes the rules as they go and has zero consistency from venue to venue and constantly change rifle weights, bipods rules, rear bags, etc.... (ELR incase you were wondering)

I hoping these type of things and rulings aren't happening here and figured I could as a simple question to gain some insight from the past by people that have shot F-Class longer than a year.....That is it.

 

[Ned Ludd]

I think the concern of the banning is not while shooting but as a coach behind the line. If you were at nationals the two top teams all had a line of them. And am I on a team?!? the answer is no, but I come from a shooting practice that makes the rules as they go and has zero consistency from venue to venue and constantly change rifle weights, bipods rules, rear bags, etc.... (ELR incase you were wondering)

I hoping these type of things and rulings aren't happening here and figured I could as a simple question to gain some insight from the past by people that have shot F-Class longer than a year.....That is it.

No worries, your last sentence is exactly what I interpreted from your first post. I am simply adding to the mix my opinion that the NRA doesn't need to be monitoring what competitors spend on equipment...that is it. The addition of the possibility that the use of this scope by coaches for tesam competition really doesn't change anything, IMO. It's still not the job of the NRA to mandate how much individuals or teams are spending on equipment. I'm sure they think it is, but it isn't. LOL

 

[Zilla]

I think the concern of the banning is not while shooting but as a coach behind the line. If you were at nationals the two top teams all had a line of them. And am I on a team?!? the answer is no, but I come from a shooting practice that makes the rules as they go and has zero consistency from venue to venue and constantly change rifle weights, bipods rules, rear bags, etc.... (ELR incase you were wondering)

I hoping these type of things and rulings aren't happening here and figured I could as a simple question to gain some insight from the past by people that have shot F-Class longer than a year.....That is it.

That is not correct.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

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That's it. I'm buying popcorn futures.

 

[DirtySteve]

Some people shoot. Some people collect gear.

We called them “Gear Queers” in the Army.

 

[6BRA]

We called them “Gear Queers” in the Army.

progress.....from longbows to recurves to compounds.

 

[Greg@wfcustom]

Some people shoot. Some people collect gear. Some people do both. Lets not confuse "want" and "need".

Stolen from another post, but I just can't help myself.
I'm working my way over to the short line, It may be a short cut.
G

 

[Bottom Fodder]

This all started with me back in grade school in the 60’s all the rich kids laughed at me because they had all the latest and greatest and I had “hand me downs“ from my older brother

 

[Greg@wfcustom]

This all started with me back in grade school in the 60’s all the rich kids laughed at me because they had all the latest and greatest and I had “hand me downs“ from my older brother

Didn't know that those Levi's with the holes worn in them would be a fashion statement someday did you.
We were trend setters in the 50/60's and didn't even know it!

 

[6BRA]

I thought the old adage was......"buy as many points as you can"?
Simply put what you are shooting now, didn't exist a few years ago.
Like shooting a Win model 52 against a 2500. Move forward or get left behind.

 

[D-4297]

I thought the old adage was......"buy as many points as you can"?
Simply put what you are shooting now, didn't exist a few years ago.
Like shooting a Win model 52 against a 2500. Move forward or get left behind.

Difference between the two ? NONE ! Operator required for Both . Grew up shooting a 52D in Juniors , and could hold up to those $1,000 Dollar Anshutz's .

 

[Bottom Fodder]

What’s next, maybe that you have to use a beam scale

 

[6BRA]

Difference between the two ? NONE ! Operator required for Both . Grew up shooting a 52D in Juniors , and could hold up to those $1,000 Dollar Anshutz's .

I have a heavy BBL 52B that shoots extremely well. The ergonomics of the gun is what I was referring to. Scope options. Longbow to Compound.

 

[DocBII]

This is my first real year shooting F-Class and have hear from a credible source that there may some rule changes coming about. The two biggest one that caught my eye were outlawing the BTX dual eye piece spotting scope from Swarovski and the outlawing of Serbs Neo X delrin sides.

The explanation I got was that the BTX eye piece is expensive and not affordable to everyone. It creates a "disadvantage". Has anyone heard about this??

I can understand keeping the playing field somewhat equal in certain classes, but OPEN in my opinion should be "open" and there will never be equality as some people but their hard earned pennies in bullet making, some in March Majesta scopes, and some in 2-3 different back up rifles to shoot team and individuals with. Anyways I'm not trying to stir crap up just wondering if this may be true and I this is common in F Class.

Stjs45,

Quit shooting F-Class and quit worrying about what the NRA was doing to it since they turned it into Belly Benchrest. Didn't even bother to ready of the thread. Not worth the time or effort.

They can KMA,
DocBII

 

[Rset]

I am going to suggest that the rate of innovation is always going to move faster than the rules committee can adjust too. In light of that, and to make the expenditure in new innovative equipment more palatable, I might ask for a more transparent system for approval and a schedule for rule adjustments.
Lets say rules updated every 3-5 years; a process for innovators to appeal to the rules makers in advance of new product production with new innovations; etc.
I do not want to stop innovation in the sport, but the race to the top has become one that only the rich can afford to pursue. This does not bode well for the future of the sport. Unless you are the innovator who is selling product at a profit and then abandoning the customer, or offering another high dollar solution when a rule change arises.

 

[Carden260]

Stjs45,

Quit shooting F-Class and quit worrying about what the NRA was doing to it since they turned it into Belly Benchrest. Didn't even bother to ready of the thread. Not worth the time or effort.

They can KMA,
DocBII

And yet here you are contributing

 

[Warren Dean]

This is getting entertaining!! Carry on, trolls!!

 

[Bottom Fodder]

What’s next maybe a ”Rail gun class” in F Class