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Precision Air Rifles

I'm sure a lot of us had BB guns as a kid. For most of us, air rifles lost their appeal once we were old enough to start using "real guns" - firearms.

I'm way too far down the rabbit hole of things that go bang to ever have a spring or gas-driven projectile ever be my main thing. But I'm sure air guns for adults have come a long way. And I wouldn't mind dipping my toe in the water of those distant cousins of ours, if truly accurate air rifles are out there.

With that in mind, can anyone point to resources, or actual models, that they have experience with, or that they might recommend?
I enjoy precision air rifles, rimfire rifles, and centerfire rifles. They all have their place. Build quality of some airguns is outstanding.

Airguns are a whole thing. PCP (compressed air) is the pinnacle of power and accuracy.
They require a regular source of air, usually over 4000psi. I have a large 4500psi tank and HP compressor now, though for some years I just had the tank and I’d take it to a scuba shop for fills. Make some calls - if there's a scuba shop close by that can fill to 4500, your cost of entry to PCP comes down to just a rifle and a tank. Pcps have minimal recoil (for their power) and can be tuned similar to developing a load. The cocking lever of a PCP is not strong, so it sure is nice to be in your shooting position and rattle off 20 rounds without breaking position. The other airgun types can't do that. If you're thinking PCP, keep in mind the fill size of the tank on the gun and the air usage. I have a .30 cal that gets maybe 30 shots before it needs a (big) refill to 4000psi and I have a .177 that gets over 100 shots from a 3300psi fill.

The home compressor world is immature IMHO. There are many compressors for several hundred that work, but the life and out-of-the-box reliability is questionable. Even at 2-3k, reliability is not a given. At $4-5k you'll get something truly reliable and good resale, but that's a lot of money.

Hand pumping PCPs generally sucks unless you want a break from your over-used gym membership. Even then you should enjoy rebuilding pumps.

Spring piston guns give good power and moderate accuracy without any air source and are popular for field hunting. But they are also moser traditional and most airgun competitions have a spring powered category. Take care: most scopes will fair quickly on a springer so if you go that route, do research before buying the mount and scope for it. You said you want accuracy and reliability so skip any springer under, say, $500. HW97s and TX200s are outstanding springers in the medium-high power range and HW50, HW30, HW95(Beeman R9) are very good. Springers are hold sensitive on some level - you can't just slap it on a front rest and get awesome groups. They jump both backward and forward before the pellet leaves the barrel. Best way I can describe it, when you find the right hold, your crosshairs stay on target throughout the shot cycle.

Time to trash big-box store airguns. Gamo, Crosman, Hatsan, "Ruger", etc sell cheap springers. Some aren't so cheap - dressed up with moderators and scopes and fancy plastic doodads. A $300 big-box springer isn't worth half of a $600 springer. They claim uselessly fast velocities (based on shooting ultra-light pellets while burning off remnant factory lubes) and their bundled scopes are unreliable. Based on what you said, avoid them entirely.

If you'll primarily be shooting it indoors, consider an old match airgun. I had an FWB 300s that was lovely to shoot indoors, when I had a place to do it. Match airguns are convenient because they used to be spring piston or single-stroke pneumatic, so you get wicked accuracy with no air cylinder required. But take them outside and the wind starts playing with them.

Common calibers are .177, .22, .25, and .30. .20, .357 and .50 can be found too but have fewer options. I don't think .177 is more accurate than .22, but for pure accuracy without wind effects, .177 will go faster (at a happy speed) with less power. As a guideline, the heavier pellets in each caliber are for PCPs and the lighter pellets are for springers. You can get good pellets at a retail store (Crosman Premier) but I mostly buy JSBs, H&N, or FX from an airgun supply store.

One environment where .22 and .177 are competing directly against each other is Field Target. But .177 has an inherent advantage there because the target is a cutout hole and .22's catch the edge of the faceplate more often. If it weren't for that I'd say it's a toss-up.

You do need to make a choice on caliber and power, and there are no free lunches. In recent years the choice got harder because there are so many options at all ends of the spectrum. Big calibers require more power, or else you must manage a loopy trajectory. But those big pellets traveling slower have better BC / wind drift than light pellets going fast. .177 is great for plinking and the flattest trajectory, but if I had to choose between a 900fps .177 pellet and a 900fps .22 pellet, the .22 wins everywhere except the 10m Olympic target case.

There are all kinds of pellets. Every airgun barrel has a preference for a particular pellet or two. Wadcutters work well out to 20y and diabolo work best the rest of the way out. There are many variations but at least test a few basic diabolo pellets with each airgun and you'll probably have the most accurate one of all of them. That said, specialty pellet designs (for example, pointed) have their place but pure accuracy isn't it.

Gotta mention slugs. Slugs have better BC but they require more velocity to be their best and they are very finicky to the barrel. They require a high power PCP, the slugs cost more, and they ricochet like a .22LR. They are great for hunting. I have a couple of air rifles that have the oomph to shoot slugs and so far the best slug is 1/2 as accurate as the best pellet, when wind is not factored in. I suggest starting with pellets unless long range accuracy is your one and only goal.

As far as rimfire vs. airguns go, rimfire generally wins. The most accurate and powerful airguns can only match rimfire, and they aren't cheap. But top quality rimfire is very expensive (if you can get it in 2023) and airguns keep the cost per shot down.

One thing to keep in mind: if you're familiar with long range centerfire - managing the wind particularly - then airguns will make you really good. The loopy trajectory and wind drift of an airgun at 50y is similar to a centerfire at 600, and 100y with an airgun resembles 1000y with centerfire. If you embrace that challenge, airguns will be a lot of fun. If you get frustrated because they don't buck wind like a centerfire, then keep it indoors.
 
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Cost is what it is. I'm not eager to throw a lot of money into something that I expect will ever remain a sidebar to the main act (firearms) for me.

Sounds like your thought process is steering you in the best direction for you, and I wouldn't do any further lobbying (it does me no good). But your quote here deserves comment. I don't think you're giving this airgun bug the credit it deserves. You might find if you do go this route you're going to get bit a whole lot harder than you expect. They really can be quite addictive.
 
Last year @MikeT49 made me a killer deal on a PCP that he put together using a Benjamin action with a bunch of aftermarket upgrades. This thing shoots 1 hole groups at 20 yards and under 1/2” at 40 yards, which is the limit in backyard. The only problem I have with it is that the POI often changes between shooting sessions and that makes it somewhat unpractical for impromptu pest control duty. My hand pump is on the fritz right now, so I haven’t shot it since last fall. If I could quit buying guns long enough, I need to invest in a tank and fill system. The hand pump does keep me from shooting as much as I would like.
 
Any way it go's air guns are very capable small game getters and super fun to target shoot with, air gun pellets are cheaper then rimfire ammo! and I don't have to worry about squib loads or dead rounds not going boom! and hearing protection is not needed, let alone firing a rimfire round that if you miss or have a pass thru and having the bullet end up somewhere or damaging something you do want to happen, also the air guns I have are more accurate than a 22cal rimfire and more accurate than you can shoot them! a .22cal pellet @650fps will kill just about any small game that you should be shooting at out to 50yds with a head shot! I shoot sparrows out to 55yds with a center mass body shot with AG's that shoot a 16gn pellet @600fps and I can watch the impact of the pellet hit where I aim! it takes about a half of a second from the time I pull the trigger to impact at 55yds, this is with a spring piston HW air rifle, YMMV
 
If I can get my pix to post? I have lots of pix, all shot with spring guns!View attachment 1424804View attachment 1424805View attachment 1424806View attachment 1424807
Here is the results from pellet testing at 20 meters after changing the spring in my TX200, a 5 min job no spring compressor required. Remember it takes 500 to 1000 shots for the new spring to settle in for accuracy. These are the very first shots after the change. These rifles tune much like a regular bench rifle. Velocity vs pellet and pellet weight will put you in good vs not so good nodes. These are 10 shot groups at 22 yards.
 

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Here is the results from pellet testing at 20 meters after changing the spring in my TX200, a 5 min job no spring compressor required. Remember it takes 500 to 1000 shots for the new spring to settle in for accuracy. These are the very first shots after the change. These rifles tune much like a regular bench rifle. Velocity vs pellet and pellet weight will put you in good vs not so good nodes. These are 10 shot groups at 22 yards.


Are you going 100 fps with a spring change? Is there anything to be found going smaller increments? Could you possibly just shim a spring?
 
I agree with the others that starting with a high quality springer is a good idea. If you then find you are bitten by the bug, you can then spend the My suggestion would be to start with a Weihrauch HW30S which is a superb low power springer that will shoot one hole groups at 1-20 meters and can be had for a little over $300.
I bought an HW30 in 1989 as the Beeman R7. It killed 150 starlings in a mulberry tree one summer, could have been 500 if I hadn't had a fulltime job. Blue Ring 4x32 AO scope that Beeman was selling then. Likes H&N Match of which I have more than I'll ever get around to shooting.

Later I added one holy grail springer, the "recoilless" FWB 300S, found in my local pawn shop for $180 (before the Internet!)
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I purchased a FX wildcat and never looked back. This rifle shoots excellent. I got tired of running to a dive shop to fill my tanks so I purchased a used compressor. Expensive then but these days they can be bought at a deceit price.
I have other air rifles but the wildcat is my go to. I never thought of shooting tight groups like this gun shoots. If you find a good air gun shop they will let you shoot them before you buy one.
springers take some skill. Just cause you can shoot the bullseye is not so with a springer. The way you hold and not grip one makes the difference in shooting one.
Good luck and be prepared to spend I was hooked immediatel.
 
Adam, it all depends, if your running an OEM spring? most of them have as much preload with little room for additional spacing, some have a bit more, usually when a spring gun loses power it could be a few different things, like the piston seal or breech seal or the spring just got weak, OEM springs have a life span of about 3 to 5k shots, even in the hi end guns, I don't bother running OEM springs, I purchase aftermarket springs and seals from ARH and replace the OEM parts after testing firing a new rifle, ARH, has kits built that are the proper set up for you rig,
 
Last year @MikeT49 made me a killer deal on a PCP that he put together using a Benjamin action with a bunch of aftermarket upgrades. This thing shoots 1 hole groups at 20 yards and under 1/2” at 40 yards, which is the limit in backyard. The only problem I have with it is that the POI often changes between shooting sessions and that makes it somewhat unpractical for impromptu pest control duty. My hand pump is on the fritz right now, so I haven’t shot it since last fall. If I could quit buying guns long enough, I need to invest in a tank and fill system. The hand pump does keep me from shooting as much as I would like.

Don't like hearing about POI wandering. Shouldn't be doing that. The barrel band might be loose or need tweaking. I'll send you a PM on adjusting it. Also, some guys are using a second barrel band. I'll send you one. If that doesn't work, you might want to check your scope for issues. Mike
 
Don't like hearing about POI wandering. Shouldn't be doing that. The barrel band might be loose or need tweaking. I'll send you a PM on adjusting it. Also, some guys are using a second barrel band. I'll send you one. If that doesn't work, you might want to check your scope for issues. Mike

Mike, you have already way above and beyond on that transaction and I’m not complaining in the least. I’ve had a blast shooting in the backyard when I can’t get to a range to shoot center fire. That hand pump has had a work out….lol. That’s probably why the seals went out. I watched video on how to rebuild it, but I haven’t found time to do it yet. I’m planning on getting a tank this spring.

I did uninstall and reinstall the scope checking for mounting issues. It was flawless on the bolt action.223 that I had it on, so I don’t think it’s the scope, but anything is possible. I suspect you are correct on the barrel band.
 
Wow, lots of great information here. Just what I was hoping for. Thanks guys! Spent a few hours yesterday reading and researching and watching videos, based upon your input.

For context, I'm fortunate to be able to shoot (firearms) on my own property. And a box of .22 Hornet handloads lives permanently on a bookshelf next to the wood stove in the living room... there so I can grab a round or two if a fox threatens my chickens and needs killing, or a groundhog is getting in my wife's vegetable garden. If I want to hunt squirrels I'll use one of several .22 rimfires. So an air rifle for me wouldn't be for hunting or pest control.

But it would be cool to have an air gun analogue to a centerfire benchrest rifle. So I guess making little, tiny groups on paper would be its primary purpose. Frankly, if it's not very, very accurate it holds little interest for me.

Cost is what it is. I'm not eager to throw a lot of money into something that I expect will ever remain a sidebar to the main act (firearms) for me. And looking at the price of something like the Daystate Red Wolf - a beautiful rifle - that Dusty mentioned kinda gives you pause. But then you put that into context... even something that expensive isn't that much more than a Nightforce 15x55x Competition scope seen up and down the line at lots of benchrest matches. Shooting is expensive and I never had an expectation that air guns would be any different.

Springer vs. PCP is an interesting divide. I watched one video yesterday where a guy was running a PCP gun very much like you'll often see at a centerfire benchrest match... fast, with minimal movement, and without breaking his position. I'd very much like that sort of thing. But the notion of dealing with a bunch of critical accoutrements like Scuba/SCBA tanks and compressors and such has me squinting my eyes. The simplicity of a springer - something I naively thought applied to all air guns - is very attractive. We shall see.

I'd love more input on .22 vs. .177. My starting bias was (is) .22. But most of the guns I've looked at seem to spec .177 for target use and .22 for field use. Are .177's inherently more accurate?

Thanks again. I'm finding your input really helpful.
The very short distance indoor type position guys use 177. Nobody shoots 177 at outdoor benchrest distances. So an indoor springer 10m rifle you may like a 177. Go on out to 75&100yds its 22 and up
 
Mike, you have already way above and beyond on that transaction and I’m not complaining in the least. I’ve had a blast shooting in the backyard when I can’t get to a range to shoot center fire. That hand pump has had a work out….lol. That’s probably why the seals went out. I watched video on how to rebuild it, but I haven’t found time to do it yet. I’m planning on getting a tank this spring.

I did uninstall and reinstall the scope checking for mounting issues. It was flawless on the bolt action.223 that I had it on, so I don’t think it’s the scope, but anything is possible. I suspect you are correct on the barrel band.
You will not like repairing your hand pump. It's a PITA. Amazon and eBay have new hand pumps for ~$50.
 
I've had a nickel plated Benjamin Sheridan H9a for decades. Pull it out once in a while, clean it, oil it and shoot it out in the shop. I'm surprised how well it will shoot some of the pellets I've fed it.

Ran across an air gun thread a while back and told my neighbor about it. He has an RWS springer in 22 that shoots one hole groups in my shop. The shop is 70 feet long. We're shooting about 20 yards. I started researching and of course everyone said go PCP. I didn't want to spend the money or accumulate the gear needed to support one. Started looking at quality springers and they get pretty expensive pretty fast as well. Then I ran across CO2 air rifles. Ordered a relatively inexpensive Beeman AR2078B in .177. It came with Anschutz "looking" target sights. Has a very nice wood stock. With the right pellets this thing will shoot one hole groups in the shop as well. And I'm surprised how long one CO2 cartridge will last. Highly recommend one of these as an alternative. CO2 cartridges are cheap and can be found everywhere.
 
I watched the vid. When I realized it was a hand pump he was using, I cringed. A half dozen or so of my friends have hand pumps. Every single one has failed. 100% I have had my original Benjamin rebuilt by the the factory twice. I rebuilt it twice. Have they improved these pumps so they will not over heat and puke O-rings? I got tired of the PITA it is to rebuild the POS and went with a Yong Heng water cooled compressor. I have refilled my SCUBA and SCBA tanks hundreds of times. It's easily paid for itself vs filling at a dive shop for $10 a fill. When/if it pukes, I will get another one.
 
Hey OP...... 88 posts later are you thoroughly undecided? Let me help you.;)

S-P-R-I-N-G-P-I-S-T-O-N............Weihrauch, nothing less.
 

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