Anschutz 54 Model 1411 Single Extractor

[AaronW10]

My Anschutz 1964 Match 54 model 1411 serial number 40250 has a single extractor and ejects properly about two out of three times. The chamber, including the extractor groove, and the bolt have been cleaned on multiple occasions. I believe the corner of the extractor has been worn and requires replacement, but I cannot find a schematic or part number for the extractor or spring. Information related to dual extractors is overwhelming, but I think I found the correct part at https://www.ultimate-gear.be/en/Anschütz-gun-manufacturer/anschutz-extractor.
Could someone help out with a schematic, part numbers, or replacement method?

PS I am aware that the trigger and stock are not Anschutz, and the gun shoots positions at 50 feet with incredible accuracy.

 

[MrG52D]

I would think it's more the spring that operates the extractor, than the extractor itself.

Here is a link to RFC and there is a boat load of info on Annie extractors.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/reliable-extraction-ejection.471177/

 

[grauhanen]

Your 1963 or 1964 Anschutz, which appears to be a Model 1413, may only need a good cleaning of the extractor area of the bolt. This involves removal of the extractor.

As a side note, only parts of the stock are shown making a more accurate identification difficult. Why do you say the stock and trigger are not original?

What's shown below is specifically for the post-1964 Match 54 models which had a cartridge retainer in addition to the extractor. Nevertheless, the instructions should be good for the single extractor rifles.





While parts lists are not always easily found for the older models, the extractor used with later ones are likely identical. They should be found at Anschutz dealers. The part is 1404-7.

 

[Ggmac]

Make sure the rear of the chamber doen not have a burr on it .

 

[Tim Slater]

As a side note, only parts of the stock are shown making a more accurate identification difficult. Why do you say the stock and trigger are not original?

Glenn,

The stock is a Freeland laminate, the same type that Winchester used for the 52 International.

The trigger, the blade at least, is the current standard 7434, for a 50xx trigger. Either it's been retro-fitted to a 14xx trigger, or a 50xx trigger has been retro-fitted to the action.

 

[SBS]

I've had several of the older 54's that didn't reliably extract and eject (ditto Walthers), and nothing I did made them eject consistently. Hope that's not your experience. If so, best to install a cartridge holder on the left side and mill a corresponding slot in the barrel if you intend to keep the rifle. Not too difficult using carbide tooling on the bolt along with a newer bolt for a guide. Parts don't cost much. Have done several and they eject as well as the newer rifles.

 

[grauhanen]

Tim, thanks for the explanation. I understood the trigger blade was not necessarily original but didn't see any way to identify what trigger was on the rifle.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

My Anschutz 1964 Match 54 model 1411 serial number 40250 has a single extractor and ejects properly about two out of three times. The chamber, including the extractor groove, and the bolt have been cleaned on multiple occasions. I believe the corner of the extractor has been worn and requires replacement, but I cannot find a schematic or part number for the extractor or spring. Information related to dual extractors is overwhelming, but I think I found the correct part at https://www.ultimate-gear.be/en/Anschütz-gun-manufacturer/anschutz-extractor.
Could someone help out with a schematic, part numbers, or replacement method?

PS I am aware that the trigger and stock are not Anschutz, and the gun shoots positions at 50 feet with incredible accuracy.

When you say it doesn't eject do you mean the fired case falls off the bolt before you can bring back the bolt far enough so the ejector can hit the back of the case and kick it out?
most of the older match 54 have the original ejector spring and or have crud buildup inside the spring hole so they no longer move freely. no or limited free movement and spring tension are the main cause of poor ejection.

If you haven't yet remove the ejector, plunger and spring to clean the hole to ensure there isn't any residue. I would do this first. I would also check the amount of gap the claw has from the tip to the rim of the case.
the example is a dual repeater bolt, but the same gap is important. second example is the correct amount of gap. notice how closely it grips the rim.
the corner of the claw is not as important as to how much the claw grips the rim. the entire edge of the claw should be slightly point inward towards the case. if it points straight across or even slight leaned back it will not grip the rim properly.
what a lot of Anschutz owners do not know is that a new extractor is not a drop in part it has to be fitted correctly.
FYI, I have an older 1965 1411 that someone fitted a dual extractor bolt. to make it work they file down the left cartridge holder so the bolt could close on a single extractor barrel. it ejects fine.
this is an early 1965 production run I think around mid to late 1965 they started to fit dual extractor bolts.
it was 65 actions before my other 1965 1411 44193 vs 44258 the later also had a single extractor bolt.

Lee

 

[AaronW10]

Thanks to all for the advice. I have added additional pics showing the trigger, model and year. Also, a Facebook post also thought the stock was a Freeland laminate, the same type that Winchester used for the 52 International.

I'm going to try to disassemble and clean the extractor in a month when my league in Darlington WI is over. I have a caliper to check the gap when it is clean and back together. I'm going to try to avoid machining. Thank you for the disassembly instructions. I've been told to do it inside of a ziplock bag so that I catch flying springs.

The casings eject nicely and go far when they are held tightly the full stroke of the bolt. I think the casings are separating from the bolt and ejector sometimes due to internal powder or wax or crud.

 

[SBS]

Your trigger is the later 50XX series. These are nice light triggers.

 

[Tim Slater]

Your trigger is the later 50XX series. These are nice light triggers.

Possibly, but it could be a 1970s 507x trigger. A true 5018 (as fitted to 18xx, 19xx, 20xx, and 54.30 rifles) isn't compatible with a 14xx bolt. Anschutz changed the geometry of the sear and firing pin bent for the 5018/18xx rifles. And an 18xx firing pin won't work in a 14xx bolt either.

At some point after introducing the 5018, Anschutz started building 5071 triggers on a 5018 frame, probably when they ran out of original 5071 parts. They continued with thus until about ten years ago.

The OPs trigger could be a fairly new 5071-1, or a 40+yo 5071, or 5072 (the version of the 5072 specifically meant for retro-fitting to older 54s). All we can say for certain is the trigger blade is fairly new, but this will retro fit to any 507x/5018/502x trigger, and that it's not a dedicated 507x single stage (variously catalogued as 5072D or 5075), as these had rhe first stage travel screw blanked off.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Possibly, but it could be a 1970s 507x trigger. A true 5018 (as fitted to 18xx, 19xx, 20xx, and 54.30 rifles) isn't compatible with a 14xx bolt. Anschutz changed the geometry of the sear and firing pin bent for the 5018/18xx rifles. And an 18xx firing pin won't work in a 14xx bolt either.

At some point after introducing the 5018, Anschutz started building 5071 triggers on a 5018 frame, probably when they ran out of original 5071 parts. They continued with thus until about ten years ago.

The OPs trigger could be a fairly new 5071-1, or a 40+yo 5071, or 5072 (the version of the 5072 specifically meant for retro-fitting to older 54s). All we can say for certain is the trigger blade is fairly new, but this will retro fit to any 507x/5018/502x trigger, and that it's not a dedicated 507x single stage (variously catalogued as 5072D or 5075), as these had rhe first stage travel screw blanked off.

Tim, yes and no on being able to use a 5018 on an early match 54. yes, you can't use them as they come from Anschutz. but changing the sear lever to a 5071 will allow them to be able to be used in the older match 54.
I have two in my possession which I converted. a third was installed on a 1413. the biggest advantage on using the 5018 is the trigger cam. with this you can get down in the 1.5-1.7 oz range.
FYI, the 5071 sear lever needs the pivot pin hole redrilled to the bigger size pin used for the 5018. I can't remember but 5/64 comes to mind on the bit. also, the pins for the earlier 5071 are tapered. newer 5018 are not

Lee

 

[SBS]

True, Lee. I have a 5018 trigger with a 5071 sear lever also. Plus a later 5071 that has the trigger cam. Lots of ins and outs around the changeover from 1400 to 1800 series target rifles.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

True, Lee. I have a 5018 trigger with a 5071 sear lever also. Plus a later 5071 that has the trigger cam. Lots of ins and outs around the changeover from 1400 to 1800 series target rifles.

I think what Tim said about using 5018 to make 5071-1 is true these are the only ones with the trigger cam.
the earlier 5071 do not.

Lee

 

[Tim Slater]

Lee,

I'd call a 5018 modified to fit a 14/16xx bolt a 5071-1, whether it was done by the factory or the end user. Given the only difference is the catch, it saves a lot of confusion to say a 5018 won't work with a 14xx/16xx bolt, but a 5071-1 will.

Are the 14/16xx compatibles catches still available to do further conversions?

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Lee,

I'd call a 5018 modified to fit a 14/16xx bolt a 5071-1, whether it was done by the factory or the end user. Given the only difference is the catch, it saves a lot of confusion to say a 5018 won't work with a 14xx/16xx bolt, but a 5071-1 will.

Are the 14/16xx compatibles catches still available to do further conversions?

Tim, I don't know if the 5071 sear lever is still available. more than 7-8 years ago they cost over a $100.00 for the part.

Lee

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

I have the same problem with mine. It was built in 1958. Not sure of the model number. I tried to find a solution a few years ago but was told that it had always been a problem with the single extractors and there was no solution. I find that hard to believe as Anschutz is one of the finest rifles made and mine is crazy accurate. This thread has given me a few ideas of how to solve the problem.

Thanks
Nick

 

[Tim Slater]

I have the same problem with mine. It was built in 1958. Not sure of the model number. I tried to find a solution a few years ago but was told that it had always been a problem with the single extractors and there was no solution. I find that hard to believe as Anschutz is one of the finest rifles made and mine is crazy accurate. This thread has given me a few ideas of how to solve the problem.

Thanks
Nick

Nick,

Anschutz found a solution only a few years after your rifle was built: the second claw, properly called a cartridge holder. Anschutz started to fit the second claw around 1964, and it stopped the case popping out sideways though friction. Almost all the complaints about Anschutz ejection relate to Maych 64s and 54 Sporters which have a different claw/spring arrangement.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

Nick,

Anschutz found a solution only a few years after your rifle was built: the second claw, properly called a cartridge holder. Anschutz started to fit the second claw around 1964, and it stopped the case popping out sideways though friction. Almost all the complaints about Anschutz ejection relate to Maych 64s and 54 Sporters which have a different claw/spring arrangement.

It seems hard for me to believe they would produce a rifle with such a flaw. This must have been extensive tested during the development stage and found it worked. Something must cause this problem with continued use. I am going to try a new extractor and see if that improves it.

 

[Tim Slater]

I don't find this such a problem to accept. I believe the single extractor claw was inherited from the original Mauser/Gehmann design. Nor was the early Match 54 the only contemporary target rifle to have a single extractor: both the Walther KKM and Finnish Lion had only one claw, as did some Hammerlis.

Remember that we are nearly seven decades removed from the start of Match 54 production. Were there complaints of unreliable ejection straight away? Or did this problem only surface after a few years, once claws and springs started to wear a little?