Yup and Remington,. IS Back, in Business and their Primers are,.. showing up.
Be Patient IF you can, as Primer Prices, will be coming Down, a Bit but, you WON'T see $28.00 per M, EVER again !
Primer prices
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Be Patient IF you can, as Primer Prices, will be coming Down, a Bit but, you WON'T see $28.00 per M, EVER again !
urbanrifleman
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Well, then we will agree to disagree.
There is NO WAY to have a "consumer driven shortage" for a product that never showed up at the stores to hoard.
urbanrifleman
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My business is connected with one of the largest hunting and shooting suppliers in the country. I can assure you they are not over supplied. In fact, they have almost nothing. Mostly just 556 and 9mm. And not overwhelming numbers of that.
I haven't seen prices drop below $100 per 1000ct box (for SRP), in my area. Right now, one good-sized vendor has CCI BR primers at $120/bx, and 5000ct at nearly $600. A smaller shop nearby has occasional primers at more-reasonable prices, but inventory's a rarity.
Even on GunBroker, similar product seems to be just north of $100/bx for 1000ct and north of $450/bx for 5000ct ... but at the lower end of the pricing scale the stuff goes quickly.
So, yes, I think such prices are going to be with us for awhile. The little dust-up in Ukraine can't be helping either.
IMO, until I begin to regularly see dozens of boxes of 1000ct primers on the shelves for weeks at a time at most vendors, showing demand's still out-stripping supplies, I think this mess will continue to be with us.
L.Sherm
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Every store you walk into in kalispell montana the shelves are full of ammo.
Have been for months.
I think most of us can agree competition is good for prices in the market RIGHT!
Who is Vistas competion?
Hell even Hodgen owns atleast 3 lines of powder now.
urbanrifleman
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Vista and Olin are both majority controlled by Vanguard and BlackRock.
urbanrifleman
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Here's the thing man. You shouldn't see 12 boxes at your local Walmart You should be seeing pallets. Pallets and pallets and pallets stacked to the ceiling. In every major retail outfit considering the propaganda we've been told that they are working 24/7 7 days a week to produce ammunition for their customers. Do people not pay attention? At the beginning of hunting season when all the shotgun shells arrive we aren't talking 10-12 boxes before all this crap started. We're talking about your local academy sport getting two dozen pallets of shotgun shells. Well at some point those pallets just stopped arriving.
L.Sherm
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From what I read Vista Outdoors owns and controls 42 different brands of outdoor and shooting related products.
They just fired there CEO couple weeks ago because profits weren't big enough, I guess the 130% 2021 4th quarter set a precedent.
urbanrifleman
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Those two companies have majority stockholder positions in nearly every major retail brand that you see every single day they have majority stockholder positions in both Lowe's and home Depot Pepsi and Coca-Cola etc etc. Someone better put a stop to this. The very concept of antitrust legislation as simply been abandoned by our government and the American people seem to fully and holy supported having no fear whatsoever from monopolies
^ agree!
So, awhile back I just decided I'd spend the money on primers, when available. Buy in 5000 and 10,000 lots with the haz fees and shipping...if I could get them around 10 cents delivered...I bought them...so I have a nice supply for now...yes dropping a thousand dollars on a primer order is ridiculous....but more reasonable IMO then the primer reloading discussion I was having with some local guys...you can do it ...it's tedious & slow...definitely not match grade...but you can reload your primers, for about $20 per thousand, and a lot of spare time.
No idea what the generic, big-box type retailers might be doing. For arms, and particularly reloading supplies, the big-box joints aren't where I go. Though, I'm assuming they are experiencing similar general supply issues that most other gun shops are.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Walmarts of the U.S. don't have sufficient "pull" to get product for reloading, even ammo, right now. Early 2021, Academy had a handful of boxes of ammo in a common caliber ... but
Again, until the average shop begins to have dozens of boxes of primers there for a few weeks (beyond instantaneous demand that wipes out shelves full of stock these days), it'll still be what we've been experiencing. Once inventory begins sitting there for awhile at most shops, and more than just a few boxes, I'll begin to believe things are turning. Not until then. At Walmart or anywhere else.
It'd be nice to see proper inventories at even a few shops. Heck, even the big ones ought to have at least modest supplies of such stuff.
In a place in the Portland, Oregon, area about 10yrs ago, this large sporting goods place had a dozen long aisles full of ammo, with every conceivable caliber, often cases of the stuff, from the floor to shelves higher than I could reach. (Your "pallets and pallets full" situation.) Last I saw them, they had nearly nothing in the more-popular calibers and had effectively shut down half of those aisles for other products. In most shops this past 2yrs and more, irrespective of size, it's much like that. Far less space devoted, and vastly fewer items that sit for only brief periods of time.
Which suggests much going on with supplies, if even Walmarts of the retailing world can't wave a wand to get all they want.
Which was my point. Until I begin seeing dozens of 1000ct boxes of popular primers on the shelves of many reloading shops, including the tiny and the large shops, and so long as prices are frequently (even typically) north of $100/bx, I won't believe things are turning the corner.
But, yeah, once Walmart, BassPro, Dicks, etc, begin stocking more than rare quantities of such stuff, there won't be much hope for the market getting back to "normal."
urbanrifleman
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Starting several years ago someone told Walmart they were simply not going to receive their shipments anymore. People really need to wake up and do the numbers. You're talking trillions of rounds of ammunition that essentially just stopped flowing to their stores and that's one retailer.
Someone was big enough to tell Walmart they were no longer going to receive any amount of small arms ammunition and shotgun shells nationwide. These people were big enough to tell them that and Walmart never said a word.
People really need to wake up. The numbers don't add up. The shortage is not caused by consumers. The products are not going to consumers. They are going somewhere else.
You guys realize America isn't the only country in the world that uses primers? Do you know how much we shoot down here on the tip of Africa and then there are other countries like Australia, UK/EU and im sure even Canada also still shoots a little bit. All those primers come from 3 or 4 places, we can atleast buy Rus primers but still
No idea what words word were said, either to them or by them. But, yes, supplies are way down. Yet, that's the case for most suppliers of ammo and reloading items.
As I pointed out, something "behind the scenes" (from the retail marketplace) is consuming and/or redirecting the bulk of such supplies. I've no idea, specifically, of who all the customers are, or whether (if any) dictating requirements were leveled against industry suppliers of such items. It's all guesses, unless details come out. About all that can be said is how you left it: that products are largely going elsewhere instead of retail.
Would love to get the straight skinny, with proofs. We might never. The products being what they are.
There coming down here in central Texas and I even find them at my local academy for around $79.99 a thousand no limit and no limit on ammo.... I just picked up 3 boxes of 10mm blazer which I really like , the numbers are good across a crono believe it or not , their small primer which I have plenty and I paid 24.99 a box... Great for target shooting even though I reload for it also.... I still believe they will come down alot further if people stop paying these prices unless absolutely necessary and stop hording.... They had blazer 9mm stacked to the top of the shelves but at $19.99 a box I only buy it if I am to lazy to reload... Just fyi it doesn't have the numbers I have seen over a crono like the 10mm.... I don't mind buying a box of factory and keeping plenty on hand....
I was recently at the big outdoor show in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Target sports that sells ammunition, etc. was there. They had a lot of really good deals on loaded ammunition. Only one I really paid attention to because I have one was 9 mm.CCI Blazer, with brass cases either 115 or 124 grain slugs were $234 a case of 1000. I did not see anybody buying, but I didn’t hang around too long either. I didn’t buy any, it was tempting though, but I really don’t need it. Good deals on primers also can’t remember all what brands or remember the prices . If they don’t say 205M, they don’t speak my language.
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