Lapua Long Range

[dutch14]

Where are you finding X-act for under $19.00? my dealer has X-long for $18.70

Lee

Who is your dealer? I only looked on Creedmoor Sports. I only wanted a ruff idea what it cost.

 

[MUP]

I wonder if it will be any better than SK long range? (Same product family).

I'm now planning to find out for myself.

 

[Conaso]

O.K., so which is it?

• "It is just Center X with more stringent testing for quality and consistency."
• "Lapua and SK are made on different production lines using different loading machines."
• "I wonder if it will be any better than SK long range? (Same product family)."
• "I figure what with new machines should come tighter tolerances."

All speculation and SWAG until Lapua attest to what protocols they follow for Lapua/SK.

I'm glad they no longer produce Wolf!

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

O.K., so which is it?

• "It is just Center X with more stringent testing for quality and consistency."
• "Lapua and SK are made on different production lines using different loading machines."
• "I wonder if it will be any better than SK long range? (Same product family)."
• "I figure what with new machines should come tighter tolerances."

All speculation and SWAG until Lapua attest to what protocols they follow for Lapua/SK.

I'm glad they no longer produce Wolf!

Wolf was just rebranded SK. protocols are all SK is made on their own machines and Lapua is made on their own machines and even their own building.

Lee

 

[grauhanen]

I have it on good authority that Lapua added a whole new line for the Long Range and Super Long Range for what that’s worth. I figure what with new machines should come tighter tolerances

Can you elaborate about why you say there's a new production line solely for Long Range and Super Long Range?

It's worth noting that current loading machines are identified by the lot number's first digit following the slash -- which will be a 5, a 6, or a 7. Any new loading machines will have a different number.

Possible tighter tolerances with new machines may not occur. The existing loading machines are continually having parts changed and adjustments made as required to maintain required tolerances. It's an ongoing process that must be, and is, carefully monitored.

 

[Conaso]

Wolf was just rebranded SK. protocols are all SK is made on their own machines and Lapua is made on their own machines and even their own building.

Lee

So says Lapua? Reference?

 

[ballisticdaddy]

I am going to assume the only difference between the LR and SLR is sorting as the specs and drop chart are identical. What I found interesting was comparing the new offerings from Lapua to the SK Long Range Match. I have attached screen shots for all three and would imagine these are all the same cartridge with varying amounts of sorting.

 

[1Merlin]

Zero difference?

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

So says Lapua? Reference?

For clarification I am talking about the old Wolf and not the new current production. Eley was awarded the contract to provide ammo for the Wolf brand.
references Darrell Stettmeier the first testing center manager for the Lapua Mesa center, Adam Braverman not sure what his title is now but he was I believe regional sales Director at the time. my friends and I had lunch with Darrell when we tested in 2016. during lunch we spoke about Lapua and the questions that were commonly being asked such as SK & Wolf and how is it made, is it the same production (if you look at the case and compare, they have the same markings) the Lapua production protocols, such as lot number assignments such as anytime the machine is stopped during a run when restarted a new lot number is assigned for anything produced thereafter. also, if you add the number three before the first two numbers of the lot that gave the lot speed in meters per second. we also spoke about CF LRP testing that they do there.
those were the good old days when you could go down to the bunker and pull your lot you just tested and bought and drive home with it. when those doors were opened, and you saw the pallets and shelves of ammo it was like Willy Wonka except for shooters!

Lee

 

[Conaso]

I understand Lapua using statistical sampling for segregating lots into "brands" having similar velocities, e.g., X-Act, Midas+, and Center-X. Maybe SK being produced in a separate line (and building), e.g., Rifle Match and Standard Plus, with maybe lower tolerances (and discarded components from the Lapua building)? Curiosity is just getting the better of me. What does Lapua do with Center-X that's at the low end?

 

[dutch14]

Someone bought some of the low end center-x then complained about 5" groups a while back. If I remember right, that was at 50 yds.

 

[grauhanen]

I understand Lapua using statistical sampling for segregating lots into "brands" having similar velocities, e.g., X-Act, Midas+, and Center-X. Maybe SK being produced in a separate line (and building), e.g., Rifle Match and Standard Plus, with maybe lower tolerances (and discarded components from the Lapua building)? Curiosity is just getting the better of me. What does Lapua do with Center-X that's at the low end?

All three major .22LR match ammo makers produce different "grades" or varieties of what begins life as the same ammo. For Lapua, for example, it's X-Act, Midas +, and Center X, from the top grade down. For Eley, it's Tenex, Match, and Team. The criteria and process for grading are not made public, but it's not hard to imagine that at least some of it is evaluated by actually shooting it.

What Lapua does with CX that's at the low end is an interesting question. CX ammo (or any variety) that is substandard is not supposed to make it to packaging and may get recycled in some way. Some of it, however, gets to the market. There are some remarkably poorly performing lots of CX that have been sold. I had one that had an ES of no less than 80 fps.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I am going to assume the only difference between the LR and SLR is sorting as the specs and drop chart are identical. What I found interesting was comparing the new offerings from Lapua to the SK Long Range Match. I have attached screen shots for all three and would imagine these are all the same cartridge with varying amounts of sorting.
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I have to ask if it is jsut

I understand Lapua using statistical sampling for segregating lots into "brands" having similar velocities, e.g., X-Act, Midas+, and Center-X. Maybe SK being produced in a separate line (and building), e.g., Rifle Match and Standard Plus, with maybe lower tolerances (and discarded components from the Lapua building)? Curiosity is just getting the better of me. What does Lapua do with Center-X that's at the low end?

I am trying to understand why it would be thought that Lapua would lower their standards to even produce so call low end CX? production runs would have samples pulled and tested to see if standards are being achieved. IMO logically this is why we see such short runs of a lot they stopped the machine to make adjustments because of test sample results.
I have heard about the current lots being of lower quality. by what standard? it didn't shoot in someone's rifle? I bought a case of CX from Champions Choice last month and the quality is even better than I have seen in the past. so far it is shooting as I expected out of two different rifles. here is the latest result from a brand-new barrel and I mean like these 5 shots were only 7 shot so far out of the barrel since I got back from my smith 2 shots out of the seven were done by my smith. if it can hold in the wind, I shot it in I expect it will be better under more favorable conditions. remember this was bought blind no lot testing I wouldn't call this lower end CX!

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Who is your dealer? I only looked on Creedmoor Sports. I only wanted a ruff idea what it cost.

Sorry I missed this. Clint Swigert of Shooting for Perfection
swigertc@bellsouth.net

Lee

 

[crm617]

Am I missing something.
The Long Range and Super Long Range have the same bullet B.C. and velocity.
What is the difference? Besides price and name.

The difference is velocity, it is 1106.

 

[Littlecooner]

The difference is velocity, it is 1106.

see post number 27

 

[Ccrider]

Thanks for posting. Please let us know how the ammo performs.

 

[Littlecooner]

Woo Hoo, I just returned to the house to warm up. 48 degrees and 4-6 mph wind in cloud conditions this morning. The new lot of Super Long Range is a keeper. my SK LRM was running around 1085 this morning and the Lapua SLR was running 1100. Final groups on steel at 200 in the wind, three shots in 1 1/4 inches, then I started a 5 shot group on another steel and had the first 4 on steel at 1 1/2 and got in a hurry on the last shot with cold hands and opened it up to 3 inches. I believe in good conditions the Vudoo will shoot one inch or less at 200.

 

[USMCDOC]

funny, when i just clicked on this thread this time.. there were 1070 views.. LOL nice

 

[BCR1]

Lee,

Do the SK lot numbers mean the same as Lapua, add a 3 in front of the first two numbers for the lot speed? I asked Cathy @ Good Shooting about this and she didn't think the SK numbers meant the same thing.

Thanks,
Bill