F class sighters

[Keith Glasscock]

One more thing...Your video is misleading in regard to the tuner moving. If my tuner moves like yours does in the video, you don't have the nylon tipped tension screws set properly at all. While making the point that it "might" move accidentally as a reason not to use them, that seems disingenuous on its face.

Mike,

I respect you a great deal for your contribution to the shooting sports. I clearly stated that the risk was from leaving the screws loose.

If this conversation needs to continue, please start a separate thread for it. This thread is about unlimited sighters, and whether they are good, bad, or meaningless.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Mike,

I respect you a great deal for your contribution to the shooting sports. I clearly stated that the risk was from leaving the screws loose.

If this conversation needs to continue, please start a separate thread for it. This thread is about unlimited sighters, and whether they are good, bad, or meaningless.

Im good. Carry on.

 

[Acyr]

Let's get back on track.
I always bring 75 loaded rounds for 60 record shots. Sometimes I only shoot a couple then go for record, sometimes more. Usually on the first relay.
Most of the time I go home with extra ammo.
There have been matches when I wish I had brought more LOL.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I think it has to be said that a tuner may not be for everyone. Some like the idea of old school tuning by powder & charge along with seating depth and neck tension. But, some like the idea of adding the tuner for atmospheric & temp changes. Simple as that. And another but, there is NOTHING CONCLUSIVE NOWHERE that says a tuner does not work when understood and used properly. If I'm wrong show me. Keep in mind guys win using tuners too.

I cant remember the last time someone said they dont work. They definately effect the tune. The question is do they make a perfectly tuned barrel shoot better? So a guy needs to be real honest, if a tuner helps you shoot better use it. I have nothing against things that help shrink groups.

 

[Bill Norris]

I cant remember the last time someone said they dont work. They definately effect the tune. The question is do they make a perfectly tuned barrel shoot better? So a guy needs to be real honest, if a tuner helps you shoot better use it. I have nothing against things that help shrink groups.

There are some out there that claim tuners don't work.

 

[Bamban]

I am a sling shooter but what I see on ranges with E targets are guys doing load
development during sighters. They bring up multiple lots of ammo and shoot groups and take the time allotted then go for record and fire their 20 shots in the last 5 minutes.

It is within the current rules but it seems to take the match feel out of the day. Know your dope , step up to the line and have at it.

I guess I would be good with say five sighter in the first line and two at the rest.

And, 3 on the mound. Target is up 45 seconds, break your shot. I enjoyed the match I shot at Blair Atholl in '98, can't pick your condition.

 

[memilanuk]

I am a sling shooter but what I see on ranges with E targets are guys doing load
development during sighters. They bring up multiple lots of ammo and shoot groups and take the time allotted then go for record and fire their 20 shots in the last 5 minutes.

It is within the current rules but it seems to take the match feel out of the day. Know your dope , step up to the line and have at it.

I guess I would be good with say five sighter in the first line and two at the rest.

Locally... a number of club MDs have been going with a 5 minute 'sighter/blow-off' period prior to each relay's first string, then the targets are cleared, and every string is 2 sighters + 20 for record in regulation block time. The security level on the targets are all set so anything other than passive observation requires password access.

I think I first saw @Jay Christopherson and @Tod Hendricks running the club matches @ Machias like that. It was one hell of a lot easier / more stress-free as a MD than letting the shooters and scorers have the ability to mess things up. I started doing the same for our local matches here as well.

And it fixes that abuse of the unlimited sighters. Do what you want - in that five minute blow-off period. Heck, do what you want during the regulation time - but it's gonna cost ya

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I cant remember the last time someone said they dont work. They definately effect the tune. The question is do they make a perfectly tuned barrel shoot better? So a guy needs to be real honest, if a tuner helps you shoot better use it. I have nothing against things that help shrink groups.

I don't think that's the question. If so, the answer is no. They don't improve upon an otherwise perfect tune...they keep you there.

Back on topic

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I don't think that's the question. If so, the answer is no. They don't improve upon an otherwise perfect tune...they keep you there.

Back on topic

I agree. Thats what i meant about being real honest.

 

[Bill Norris]

I don't think that's the question. If so, the answer is no. They don't improve upon an otherwise perfect tune...they keep you there.

Back on topic

I think that is the key factor that a lot of people miss. The best load development has to be done prior to thinking about the tuner.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I think that is the key factor that a lot of people miss. The best load development has to be done prior to thinking about the tuner.

This is a subject for another thread. They can perfect on tune, but only if it was leaving something on the table to be gained.

 

[Fclassfool]

Don't want to shoot a bunch of sighters don't. Want to blast your 20 records in less than a minute go ahead but don't try and fix something that's not broken. Next thing we will see is "Man that's a fine 600-60x you shot there but how many sighters did you use?"

 

[Jeff Porter]

And, 3 on the mound. Target is up 45 seconds, break your shot. I enjoyed the match I shot at Blair Atholl in '98, can't pick your condition.

Nez- I do like pair firing. Do they run the targets like the shoot off for P100? All targets exposed for same time. Up together and down together?

 

[memilanuk]

Nez- I do like pair firing. Do they run the targets like the shoot off for P100? All targets exposed for same time. Up together and down together?

When I shot @ Blair Athol in 2011 they had e-targets (Kongsberg).

The pair fire events on manual targets that I've shot in (more than a few) would pull the targets, let you 'blow off' into the backstop for a minute, cease fire, run up the targets and start the match.

 

[CharlieNC]

Where I live the opportunity to drive, shoot a match, and drive home the same day is pretty much limited to 300yards which has developed a number of very good shooters at that distance. Occasionally it's fun to travel to shoot longer matches for which there has not often been a possibility to get zero dope for that circumstance. So it comes in handy to have unlimited sighters on the first match when there is not otherwise an opportunity to prepare.

 

[Rset]

Where I live the opportunity to drive, shoot a match, and drive home the same day is pretty much limited to 300yards which has developed a number of very good shooters at that distance. Occasionally it's fun to travel to shoot longer matches for which there has not often been a possibility to get zero dope for that circumstance. So it comes in handy to have unlimited sighters on the first match when there is not otherwise an opportunity to prepare.

And this right here might be the reason we shouldn't worry about changing the rules.
There are many shooters who seldom have the availability to shoot at distance. I am one myself living in FL
Since the sports are dying in general, I can't see any reason to push them further in a hole unless you are afraid of comparing your skills with others. If we keep pushing people out of the sport, we will have a match not worth winning.
I couldn't care less how many sighters you want to shoot as long as is is done within block time. My record shots in my chosen condition will either prevail or not.

 

[ronsatspokane]

Locally... a number of club MDs have been going with a 5 minute 'sighter/blow-off' period prior to each relay's first string, then the targets are cleared, and every string is 2 sighters + 20 for record in regulation block time. The security level on the targets are all set so anything other than passive observation requires password access.

I think I first saw @Jay Christopherson and @Tod Hendricks running the club matches @ Machias like that. It was one hell of a lot easier / more stress-free as a MD than letting the shooters and scorers have the ability to mess things up. I started doing the same for our local matches here as well.

And it fixes that abuse of the unlimited sighters. Do what you want - in that five minute blow-off period. Heck, do what you want during the regulation time - but it's gonna cost ya

Yeah, I really like that format. I drive over to shoot at many of the Machias matches and they run a good match. Of course it should be said that Todd occasionally does a Fullbore format which is really fun. I think you have done it in the past as well. Being forced to shoot within 45 seconds of the person you are pair firing with is a hoot. Forces you to shoot in conditions where you really need to read the conditions rather than wait for them to come your way. I generally suck at it but I have dreams of improving.

Of course I think that those who are hung up on the number of sighters are missing the point. The point is that there are far to few matches. If we had 6 or 8 matches a month to choose from across the region we'd all be doing a lot more shooting. And trigger time is what it is all about.

Will make your matches this year hopefully. It's been a busy couple of years. That's my excuse anyway.

 

[D-4297]

Very much like @Acyer ; I also take seventy-five rounds for a sixty shot Match , and most of the time , bring home the extras . No reason why anyone who is a HM or M can't "be on target" in five rounds , or less on the first string . Personally ; I would think that five Sighters would be a good Base-line for all Strings , as it would be more than sufficient for the "Skilled" shooters , and give more "allowance" to the newer shooters , to learn . Isn't the idea to encourage the newer shooters to stick around , rather than have them get discouraged , and quit ?