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F class sighters

I’d wager in GB that more points are dropped and matches lost in the first three shots to count.
One minute blow off period ( as many as you like ) and two convertible sighters, better hope that second sighter is a 5 (10) otherwise that first shot to count is a nervous time waiting for it to be marked.
 
@Keith Glasscock when I first started shooting in Oak Ridge Danny was shooting there regularly. I forget the particulars of exactly what piece of kit was being discussed and who used it but someone pointed out that Danny used it. I do recall that my response was that Danny’s score would be better than mine with a 30-30 Winchester so I wasn’t running out to make a purchase based on that.
 
My personal ego boost is shooting an X on the first sighter. Most of my experience has been sling shooting at midrange but knowing my dope and reading conditions to be able to hit the middle on shot one is always my goal. Since starting to shoot more long range, it is still my goal but admittedly a bit harder at 1000 than 600.

I don’t know that we need to change the rules to 2 sighters per stage from the current practice of unlimited in first stage.

I do like the Fullbore convertible sighters rule.
In matches without infiltration where each relay starts time and ends time together, I am ok with doing what you want in that time.


My personal beef with the excessive use of sighters for load development during a match comes from shooting matches with infiltration and block time for all relays on a stage of fire. First relay gets nice calm conditions and should be able to hammer out their shots in short order but proceed to use all their allotted time before finishing the string of fire. Then taking time to chat about it while pulling gear off of the line and eating into my time …. All while the conditions are building and making it even more sporty for the rest of the relays.

The worst part is I see them as oblivious to why this may be an issue. It seems as if it is an “I paid for this 28 minutes, I am going to use all of it “ attitude. Do your load development on your own time. When you come to a match, be prepared to shoot the match. If you need more shots with your match ammo to get on target, I get that. I will be the first to pull up my scope and try to follow trace for you. But don’t chew up block time trying a new bullet or bullet powder combination only to pull out a different box of ammo and say “going for record “

If you identify as a participant and not a competitor, learn some match etiquette to make everyone’s day a good experience.
 
I know there are shooters whose pit duties, especially in hot weather, take a real toll on them physically. In addition, we are usually standing on some sort of small riser.

It is possible to get carried away on sighters and for me, it’s usually when I feel a newish barrel is benefitting from taking more sighting shots than I usually would, or my being indecisive or picky about which ammo I should use. I wouldn’t, but technically, I also could probably get away with vetting 2 or 3 rifles and putting twice or more the record count down range, with unlimited sighters.

We know for a fact how a lot of posters feel about pit duties at certain ranges in certain months, from threads here. It’s literally their hardest part of the match, not the shooting, loading, driving or expenses. Certainly, with e-targets, no one’s energy gets sapped from unlimited sighters or 9 minute wind pauses and last minute starts, and that’s a “plus-column”equalizing side effect of theirs. They do have a minus column, of course.

I have seen more near or actual medical emergencies resulting from pit service than rifle shooting. A couple were from the old style of spindles splitting, but usually it’s a function of fatigue or heat.

It’s a tangent, but if the US were to go to pair fire, these issues are all mitigated.
 
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I know there are shooters whose pit duties, especially in hot weather, take a real toll on them physically. In addition, we are usually standing on some sort of small riser.

It is possible to get carried away on sighters and for me, it’s usually when I feel a newish barrel is benefitting from taking more sighting shots than I usually would, or my being indecisive or picky about which ammo I should use. I wouldn’t, but technically, I also could probably get away with vetting 2 or 3 rifles and putting twice or more the record count down range, with unlimited sighters.

We know for a fact how a lot of posters feel about pit duties at certain ranges in certain months, from threads here. It’s literally their hardest part of the match, not the shooting, loading, driving or expenses. Certainly, with e-targets, no one’s energy gets sapped from unlimited sighters or 9 minute wind pauses and last minute starts, and that’s a “plus-column”equalizing side effect of theirs. They do have a minus column, of course.

I have seen more near or actual medical emergencies resulting from pit service than rifle shooting. A couple were from the old style of spindles splitting, but usually it’s a function of fatigue or heat.

It’s a tangent, but if the US were to go to pair fire, these issues are all mitigated.
Pit duties at 90 degrees and 85% humidity SUCK!
 
I shot a match recently that had no sighters, I thought it was great. I come from the long range hunting world where "sighters" is not an option on a elk at 1000 yards. Lets eliminate sighters all together...
 
Theres really no difference so far as competition goes. All competitions are games we play. You still have to beat the best players. So long as the rules are the same for all, it wont change who wins.
I think it will if the better shooters have a rough start..
Unlimited siters just about eliminates a bad start.
 
When you look at guys like Tim Vaught, he takes the full 30 minutes most times, A shot a minute or more I have seen. Every shot is a sighter to him, and he is a wind reading machine. For guys like that, whatever sighter method there is will not matter as he can read a condition and calculate it and make a X...
 
I shot a match recently that had no sighters, I thought it was great. I come from the long range hunting world where "sighters" is not an option on a elk at 1000 yards. Lets eliminate sighters all together...
I think 1 minute of blowoffs and 2 siters is a good balance..
No siters could really hurt..!!
I usually send 5 blowoffs into the sand..
Most know there elevations needed for a desired distance and its mainly about getting your windage close..
 
When you look at guys like Tim Vaught, he takes the full 30 minutes most times, A shot a minute or more I have seen. Every shot is a sighter to him, and he is a wind reading machine. For guys like that, whatever sighter method there is will not matter as he can read a condition and calculate it and make a X...
All credit too Tim for being able too do that..!!
That's not the first time I've heard that..!!
This is what we try too do most of the time..
Easier said than done though..!!
 
Luck is seeing a big change making a good call and getting an X, skill is knowing you’re probably not dropping more than one, relying on luck gets you a 6.
 
Ok, I might be wrong but I think the elephant in the room is regarding those that tune with sighters. Am I wrong and why does it matter? Seriously. Go any way you choose. Shoot as many sighters as you choose, and everybody have a good time. I can only see fewer sighters as penalizing new or newer shooters. There it is. I said it. Now respectfully, tell me why that's wrong.
Tuners are a hot topic and some active posters in this thread have admitted they work but advocated against them, for what I consider obscure "what ifs". But that's my view and I'm more interested in getting that out there than actually having a say in how it's done. If a rule change were implemented, would records be retired? I think if someone came with legal equipment, and that equipment benefitted him from shooting sighters to tune with, that's no different than checking load A vs load B, etc.

Is that not done? If not, you're missing opportunities here to come with a rifle that's tuned to the condition you ARE shooting in. So no, it's not strictly about tuners, but tuning in general, by whatever method. It was brought up early on about a shooter firing 13 shots to tune his rifle. He's a tuner user but I would consider that irrelevant. Tuning is tuning and there are different ways to achieve it. But speaking of luck...Loading by the weather forecast, days ahead...that's luck.

I'd hate to think any game wants to penalize anyone for showing up and doing what works best for him, to shoot the best scores he possibly can, within the rules.
 
Unlimited/two/zero sighters and luck.....my answer is yes!

I see most responding are experienced Fclass shooters......how does two sighters benefit a new shooter or grow the sport?

There are a couple different formats within our sport where you can test your wind calling capabilities.
 

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