Falkor 7even opinions

[TylerFromMS]

IMO it likely needs at least 22lbs of spring and probably more (static assembled) and the weight of a full steel pin. Do you know how much pin fall you have currently? I'd be looking for .240-.250" min of pin fall.

Where did that number come from? I thought I read something about George Kelbly or someone coming up with it after trying different remington actions maybe- if you know, I want to be educated.

 

[WSnyder]

Where did that number come from? I thought I read something about George Kelbly or someone coming up with it after trying different remington actions maybe- if you know, I want to be educated.

It originated with Mike Walker and Remington and the testing they did decades ago. It's been a pretty proven standard (pin mass weight, pin fall, spring weight) for a long time for any Remington clone and yes Kelbly's followed it in their designs. A long time ago when things weren't so nuts and people had time to talk I spent a bit of time picking Jim Kelbly's brain on the subject of the Remington fire control design. I know I wasn't the only one to do so at the time.

The only change that's really happened to the system has been going to smaller firing pin tips. That's something that Kelbly's initially resisted doing for quite some time. Demand demanded it and they at first reluctantly offered it. I still see that as not an absolute need to have, others may differ. There's been some limited testing posted that too small of a pin tip could be detrimental in some circumstances.

 

[butchlambert]

It originated with Mike Walker and Remington and the testing they did decades ago. It's been a pretty proven standard (pin mass weight, pin fall, spring weight) for a long time for any Remington clone and yes Kelbly's followed it in their designs. A long time ago when things weren't so nuts and people had time to talk I spent a bit of time picking Jim Kelbly's brain on the subject of the Remington fire control design. I know I wasn't the only one to do so at the time.

The only change that's really happened to the system has been going to smaller firing pin tips. That's something that Kelbly's initially resisted doing for quite some time. Demand demanded it and they at first reluctantly offered it. I still see that as not an absolute need to have, others may differ. There's been some limited testing posted that too small of a pin tip could be detrimental in some circumstances.

Bill, Jerry Stiller did a lot of scientific study of the smaller firing pins. I think you will find quite a bit of info about the advantage to it. Several of the top smiths are doing it.

 

[WSnyder]

Bill, Jerry Stiller did a lot of scientific study of the smaller firing pins. I think you will find quite a bit of info about the advantage to it. Several of the top smiths are doing it.

Butch I was there at the time same as you. I read everything Jerry used to post when he was in the thick of it. I understand the advantages but IMO for some things it does nothing. Now if an action came with it okay but to spend $$$ to convert it for many things again IMO it adds nothing.

 

[butchlambert]

Butch I was there at the time same as you. I read everything Jerry used to post when he was in the thick of it. I understand the advantages but IMO for some things it does nothing. Now if an action came with it okay but to spend $$$ to convert it for many things again IMO it adds nothing.

Bill, If you had a good rifle that had a problem, it would be cheaper to fix it or pay somebody to do it rather than buying another.