I haven't noticed the autonomous vehicles are stillborn, thats because of the continuous engineering updates I receive are contrary to your stillborn statement.
Let's make a note to revisit this thread in a few years.
Electric Cars -- anyone own one?
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Let's make a note to revisit this thread in a few years.
Oh my GOD, now the electric busses caught all these gasoline powered busses on fire ! This never happened until electric busses appeared ...
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So far, my son's Chevy Bolt is working out well for him. He drives about thirty miles to work and charges it up while he's there. As he says, it goes as far on a charge as his V-Strom does on a tank, and it costs less to recharge than to fill the bike. This might change in the future but, for now, it's good. For those cold winter days, he has an old Hyundai! For our trips to town and back (about 100 miles round trip, including a little running around town) we would be fine. My son says he would like to try to drive from his place to here (about 250 miles, but that is pushing the limit. As a commuter vehicle, its great, but not for travelling. WH
The diesel powered ones are alot easier to put out though.
Yep, a runaway Lithium fire you just enjoy the show until it's over.
Brians356
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Why wait? Let's review earnest predictions made just seven or fewer years ago:
In 2015, Baidu’s Wang Jin — who has since resigned from the company — said the startup would be selling driverless cars to Chinese consumers by 2020.
"From 2020, you will be a permanent backseat driver," The Guardian said in 2015.
In 2016, Lyft president John Zimmer took to Medium to claim that “the majority” of trips carried out by the ride-sharing company would happen in fully autonomous cars “within five years.”
Business Insider boldly predicted in 2016 that 10 million self-driving cars would be on the road by 2020. It ... also forecast that cars that “can drive from point A to point B and encounter the entire range of on-road scenarios without needing any interaction from the driver” would “debut in 2019.”
In June 2021 TheNextWeb.com wrote: "We were told there’d be fully-autonomous vehicles dominating roadways across the globe by 2018. When that didn’t happen, we were told they’d be here by the end of 2020. And when that didn’t happen, we were told they were just around the corner. It seems like now the experts are taking a more pragmatic approach. According to a recent report from the Wall Street Journal, many computer science experts believe we could be at least a decade away from fully-driverless cars, and some believe they may never arrive."
VentureBeat admitted in May 2022: "We were wrong about the future. Every prediction about self-driving cars has been wrong. We are not living in a future of autonomous cyborgs, and something else has come into focus. ... Since the early days, the problem with self-driving cars has been obvious: there’s no control. When we look at the successful implementations of self-driving cars — now several years old — we see lane assist and parallel parking. We see situations and use cases where the control pane between human and machine is obvious. In all other situations, where the goal has been the pursuit of mythical level 5 autonomy, self-driving cars have failed miserably."
MarketWatch wrote in May 2022: "So-called 'autonomous vehicles' are not just taking longer to develop than expected. They are a dead end. ... Skeptics about AVs have a decade of failed promises to point to."
In April 2022 ACM.org wrote: "Over the past decade, technology and automotive pundits have predicted the "imminent" arrival of fully autonomous vehicles that can drive on public roads without any active monitoring or input from a human driver. Elon Musk has predicted his company Tesla would deliver fully autonomous vehicles by the end of 2021, but he made similar predictions in 2020, 2019, and 2017. Each prediction has fallen flat, largely due to real-world safety concerns, particularly related to how self-driving cars perform in adverse conditions or situations."
Q.E.D.
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Brians356
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Nice of his employer to pay for charging the battery. It's a perk, like dental insurance or a free cafeteria. For many folks (e.g. retired folk) they're paying the power bill themselves.
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Even if he charges it at home, the power required to get him back to 250 miles of range, costs him about five bucks. So, for now, it is very economical. His power rates are locked in for five years. WH
Brians356
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So, it costs him $5 at that power rate to drive 30 miles?
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Brians356
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Did those buses catch fire spontaneously, like the Chinese bus did?
Both OSHA and NFPA advise lithium-ion batteries should be stored at room temperature; should not be charged at temperatures below 32 f or above 95 f; should never be charged indoors (e.g. in a garage); should be discarded after exposure to a physical shock (e.g. a simple fender bender, or driving over a curb or ditch.)
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So then all the manufacturers of EV's have abandon autonomous vehicle technology?
Brians356
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Feel free to quote where I wrote or even implied that.
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Just asking a question. If it's DOA, then why does the investment by manufacturers continue ? I feel it is going to happen, sooner than later. Not every location will be able to support AV's at this point in time.
Brians356
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A strong clue might be that corporations are run by human beings, and all that implies.
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Sorry Brian, I'm usually a little more precise. He says, if he runs it down to 15%, it costs him about 5 bucks to top it up. Setting up the charging station at his house was subsidized (governments are stupid. Take advantage). By next year, he hopes to set up a solar powered station for it (also subsidized). For his purpose, the electric car might be very good. Since it gets very cold where he lives, I suspect the car will have to sit a bit in the winter. So, it might be a 9 month car. I don't know if I'll ever buy one, but I'm not saying never. WH
Fair enough. Do you personally feel we will never have AV's ? I think we will, some day.
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Tesla is oh so close. They only have a few bugs to work out like plowing down pedestrians. Other than that it works good
rwj
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Just a small programming “glitch”
!NorCalMikie
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AV? Not much better than Auto Drive, where the drunk driver says "Drive", kicks back and goes to sleep while the Auto Drive takes him home, except when it runs into a parked/stopped truck. 
Stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed!!
Stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed!!Or rear ending motorcycles
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