Carbon removal

[TTE]

Looked up some old threads, but no clear answer was posted as to what works[/quote]

Clear Answer:
Hoppe's #9, Bronze Brush, Cotton Patches....after every shooting session.
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not trying to be a smart aleck, have you looked with a bore scope ?

Before, I would do some cleaning (as you mention above Hoppe's#9 brush) at the range before packing up. Then more cleaning at home .... Hoppe's is what everyone used when I first started shooting. Shooters poured in on their Wheaties in the morning (me too). However, I am off the Hoppe's bandwagon now. I still have a large bottle, but don't use it as much as I did in the past. Heard if I add Kroil to it, it would work a better ... have not done that yet, but it's in the cards.

I still clean some at the range, but with different stuff.

 

[jelenko]

not trying to be a smart aleck, have you looked with a bore scope ?

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If you can't see what's going on in the bore, you just don't know. There can be a LOT of carbon left after a dry patch comes out clean.

 

[TTE]

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If you can't see what's going on in the bore, you just don't know. There can be a LOT of carbon left after a dry patch comes out clean.

100% correct. Never saw a bore scope until fairly recently.

When I started shooting, it was clean with solvent until the patch came clean and we were done. Hunting rifles passed down for generations were cleaned this way.

Now, it's tough for us old guys to change our ways, but we have to change and move forward with new information.

For us older guys that just cleaned with solvent until the patch was clean, ..... a bore scope is a blessing and a curse. I am happy I got one .... but it sure has cost me a few bucks in trying different cleaning products and a lot more time cleaning ............ but my rifle's worth it.

 

[Sandstorm]

Just throwing this out...
Clearly Rifles shoot better groups and at distance than they ever did in the past.
Is this cleaning or better components..or both.??
Im thinking sometimes were over obsessed with the borescope craze these days, and half of
us dont need an excuse to OCD anyhow..lol..
just a thought...Guilty as charged.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Too cheap not to try it. Could you share the ratio of Dawn to water? Thanks

Good question. Not a clue, lol. I started out with a small squeeze bottle of water and 8 or 10 drops of Dawn. I added to big squirts of Dawn, water blue now. I would guess I am at 7 or 8 to one. I might add more, solution still feels like water. When I empty this bottle I will pay attention next batch. What started me was getting carbon on my fingers cleaning caose neck to anneal. A bit hard to get of with hand soap. A drop or 2 of Dawn ir goes away like magic. It does not take it all out but rakes most of it out for pennies. I might try a bit more Dawn letting it snoak overnightnsnd see what happens. I am sure someone will tell me it will ruin the barrel,lol.

 

[jelenko]

Water overnight - rust?

 

[HTSmith]

Good question. Not a clue, lol. I started out with a small squeeze bottle of water and 8 or 10 drops of Dawn. I added to big squirts of Dawn, water blue now. I would guess I am at 7 or 8 to one. I might add more, solution still feels like water.Y When I empty this bottle I will pay attention next batch. What started me was getting carbon on my fingers cleaning caose neck to anneal. A bit hard to get of with hand soap. A drop or 2 of Dawn ir goes away like magic. It does not take it all out but rakes most of it out for pennies. I might try a bit more Dawn letting it snoak overnightnsnd see what happens. I am sure someone will tell me it will ruin the barrel,lol.

The water overnight worries me. But I have to worry about something

 

[JEFFPPC]

Water overnight - rust?

Overnight I don't think is a problem but I will try the outside of a barrel first. I tried to Google the question but could not get much of an answer. One out fit said 5 to 6 days another said not as fast as most think. So I will try them outside of an old barrel first.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I shot 18 shots out of my 30br today than 3 Dawn patches, dry, then 2 Kroil/Hoppes patches. Then 15 more shots and repeated as after first target. Left Kroil/Hoppes in driving home about 2 hours, 3 strokes one way with a bronze brush then dried. Showed a little gray on the dry patches. Left Montana Extreme in for about 3 hrs then patches out, no gray just blue. I put in Sweets and will let it sit overnight, patch out then borescope. This is a 7000 round barrel.

 

[cmysix]

VERY famous F Class shooter uses CLR, says he's found nothing that cleans carbon like it.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

VERY famous F Class shooter uses CLR, says he's found nothing that cleans carbon like it.

He is correct

 

[Shooter13]

Okay, I use CLR (just started recently) and OH MY! the carbon ring that exist after shooting has always been a concern for me, CLR in my 6PPC using a 30 cal brush with a 30 cal patch, apply CLR on patch and stick in chamber and a few twist and the ring is GONE! a lot less work than before, I do use 99% isopropyl alcohol to neutralize the CLR then dry patches. CLR does better and quicker than anything else I've used (and I've used a lot!). Yes, I use it on the barrel too. My buddy Mike @gunsandgunsmithing doesn't like the idea but for a 6PPC that you may get 2500 rounds out of. Clean is mean (and accurate!). My .02 YMMV

 

[AckleymanII]

FYI.
I've found that bronze wool wrapped around a brush [I'm using a very well worn bronze one that passes through the bore very easily] and just regular carbon solvent [I use C4] and short stroked a bunch in the throat and barrel does a great job removing almost all carbon. The only stuff left is in the very corners of the grooves and on the bottom 1/3 of the very beginning of the throat - the rest of the way around the beginning of the throat is bare metal.
As the wool wears it's easy to build it back up.

Are you cleaning a 6 PPC after 8-10 rounds or an F class rifle after 6 ten shot strings?

 

[jelenko]

Are you cleaning a 6 PPC after 8-10 rounds or an F class rifle after 6 ten shot strings?

Great question.

Cleaning a 223 after 60-90 rounds.

 

[6MMsteve]

I asked my gunsmith to give me the barrel stubs when he cut my barrel to length. I took a section about 1" long and brushed the hell out of it with a brass brush, then I cross-sectioned it and took images on a scanning electron microscope at work. Considerable damage. SS barrels and CM are not very hard, about 30HRC. They are bored, rifled and chambered in the annealed heat treat condition. I rotated the brush so any scratches vertical are from machining or lapping the barrel. Left to right scratches can only be from the brush.

that's a 1 inch stub the scratches must be .000001 will a contour tracer pick up the scratches with a fine surf point..that's some cool pics, I think we had a optical tracer that would chk the depth of those scratches, I never used it in the lab, Just the contour tracer checking bore& seal dim

 

[DawidB]

Lol, for at least the last 20 years I've been using JB & Kroil only, nothing else, Fclass and all other applications. I have yet to see JB "removing metal" ever, in fact, my barrels lasts longer than most competitors barrels. I have also learned that it is still the best and almost only way to completely remove carbon.

 

[6MMsteve]

Lol, for at least the last 20 years I've been using JB & Kroil only, nothing else, Fclass and all other applications. I have yet to see JB "removing metal" ever, in fact, my barrels lasts longer than most competitors barrels. I have also learned that it is still the best and almost only way to completely remove carbon.

J&B ISSO is all I use also after I got a borescope

 

[JEFFPPC]

DawidB, 6MMsteve, you guys haven't learned that both products will ruin your barrel. You have not been paying attention evidently. I am pretty much Dawn and water for new carbon removal between relays Sweets at home overnight, then JB or Iosso with Hoppes/Kroil mixture for final clean up.

 

[Leeman]

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B23,

I've been using it for the last 12months or so. Gets fouling out as well if not better than anything I've used before, verified with borescope, although like any liquid format won't get the barrel squeaky clean. I use with bronze brushes to keep carbon build up under control between IOSSO applications every 200 rounds or so. Doesn't seem to attack the bore brushes unlike the last solvent I was using, just get a black mess out of the muzzle instead of greenish mess.

 

[gdbleb]

J&B ISSO is all I use also after I got a borescope

JB, IOSSO, or KG-2 (lately) on VFG pellets here.
1 hour's work and its clean.
Got tired of soaking for 1 night, 2 nights, 3 nights, aren't we done yet?

Got tired of the warnings about the water-based solvents too.

After watching the CLR test videos I consider CLR equivalent to a major league abrasive.
Depends on how long you leave it in the barrel.
Most of the CLR fans scrap their barrels after 1 season.
I'm not at their level unfortunately.