PPC

[sdean]

The main difference is that UBR is caliber neutral..no advantage to the bigger hole of a 30 cal, for instance. So, you see a variety of chamberings. 22 and 6 PPC, 6BR, 30 Major and 30BRs, as well as a few 6 Grendels and others have all won with regularity.

I've shot under all three...IBS, UBR and NBRSA over several years. UBR is a great game. You should give it a try. I wouldn't call it minor league, but you might. Show up and shoot it, first.

Wouldn't you consider group shooting as caliber neutral?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Wouldn't you consider group shooting as caliber neutral?

Yes, I would...mostly. A few years back, I asked a group shooter who shot a 22 ppc, or a variation of one, if they ever measured his groups as though he was shooting a 6mm. His reply was, "I count on it." Lol! The guy is a hall of famer.
UBR is score and has caliber specific targets for .224, .243 and .308

 

[BartsBullets]

Not to help Mike, but the this years Tac Driver results were interesting. It’s a bring what you got kind of match 22 Lbs weight limit. You shoot 5 score and 5 group targets at 300 meters. 30 Dasher won score, 6PPC won group and 6BRA won overall.

 

[Ccrider]

Clearly there is not a one size fit all answer. Some calibers have been proven to generally work better than others at certain distances. Go with things not proven and there are always trade offs.

Type what you will. Shoot what you may. In the end, the best man wins. Not the best shooter. Not the best rifle or scope Not the best bullets or powder. The best man for that day and that event wins.

Part of being best man is choosing the right gun/load/setup for you under the conditions and driving it to the targets.

Anyone that believes that Tony Boyer dominated because he shot a PPC or that Nick Saban dominates because he is at Alabama, does not have a clue about what breeds consistent success.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Type what you will. Shoot what you may. In the end, the best man wins. Not the best shooter. Not the best rifle or scope

Part of being best man is choosing the right gun/load/setup for you under the conditions and driving it to the targets.

Anyone that believes that Tony Boyer dominated because he shot a PPC

you can’t shoot sub .200 aggs with a .300 rifle.

Since “PPC” is the title of this Thread, and most sing it’s virtues, many might get the impression that it s the answer to all ills.

Go to any Short Range Group Match, and look at the targets as they are hung. Any experienced shooter can pick out the Rifles that are not working. And generally, 2/3 of the shooters will be shooting Rifles that are not in a competitive tune.

And 99.9 percent will be shooting a 6PPC.

 

[Ccrider]

Yep. The best man will definitely have to combine his tuning skills with his wind reading skills and his shooting skills to win against good experienced shooters. If he shows up with. .300 rifle expecting to do anything but donate, he for sure is not the best man, or he is praying for a monsoon, or conditions where a rifle that will agg. .3 will win if he reads the wind perfectly.

On the other hand, give a tuned rifle agging .15 to a person that can’t shoot straight on a calm day, or that can’t read the wind well on a windy day, my guess is that the best man will beat him with a rifle that aggs higher. Just my guess, but I am pretty sure that I am right about this.

 

[ebb]

I think that the 22 waldog is what the 6PPC would evolve into if not for the BR rules and regs. I has seen several waldogs that shoot unbelievable. The problem is there are so many 6PPCsthat beating them all on any given day is too much.

 

[Mulligan]

I think that the 22 waldog is what the 6PPC would evolve into if not for the BR rules and regs. I has seen several waldogs that shoot unbelievable. The problem is there are so many 6PPCsthat beating them all on any given day is too much.

Are you saying,
If more people were to shoot a Waldog, we would see them winning more. But because everyone is shooting a PPC, that is all that wins?
CW

 

[BoydAllen]

I think that the 22 waldog is what the 6PPC would evolve into if not for the BR rules and regs. I has seen several waldogs that shoot unbelievable. The problem is there are so many 6PPCsthat beating them all on any given day is too much.

As far as the NBRSA goes there is no impediment in the rules that would prevent the Waldog from being shot in all classes. They dropped the over .22 rule for sporter.

 

[tsyarnall]

I’m just trying to learn as much as I can about the sport of “Groups” and “Score.” And, I’ve been around long enough to know that what seems to be the obvious answer, is not always the correct answer. However, something inside of me tells me that if the 6PPC wasn’t the best cartridge for group shooting, most people wouldn’t be shooting it in serious competitions. Now, a new (to me) point, I believe, has been brought up. That’s the point that the rules for “Group” are bent towards the 6PPC. Am I understanding that right? If that is the case then the 6PPC seems to be the right cartridge. At least, until the rules are changed. I don’t know…….maybe I misunderstood the part about “rules and regs.” It’s hard (at least for me) to grasp what people try to say (sometimes) in writing. You’re not able to see the facial expressions and the inflections and tone of the voice. I can often “think” that I know what is being said and end up all wrong.

 

[BartsBullets]

I’m just trying to learn as much as I can about the sport of “Groups” and “Score.” And, I’ve been around long enough to know that what seems to be the obvious answer, is not always the correct answer. However, something inside of me tells me that if the 6PPC wasn’t the best cartridge for group shooting, most people wouldn’t be shooting it in serious competitions. Now, a new (to me) point, I believe, has been brought up. That’s the point that the rules for “Group” are bent towards the 6PPC. Am I understanding that right? If that is the case then the 6PPC seems to be the right cartridge. At least, until the rules are changed. I don’t know…….maybe I misunderstood the part about “rules and regs.” It’s hard (at least for me) to grasp what people try to say (sometimes) in writing. You’re not able to see the facial expressions and the inflections and tone of the voice. I can often “think” that I know what is being said and end up all wrong.

The rules are not bent toward the 6ppc for group. However the 30 caliber lends itself to NBRSA and IBS score because it’s accurate and punches a bigger hole.

Bart

 

[ebb]

The rules would not allow a 22 caliber bullet for years and there is so much information, support, tools and supper quality bullets for the 6PPC, at this point nothing can compete. The rules changed some years back and a few tried to shoot the Waldog and others like it but it was an uphill climb. Its like today you would almost be a fool to want to shoot a 6.5 and not shoot a Creedmoor.

 

[jackieschmidt]

The 22 PPC Short, (.80 to.100 short). will compete heads up with a 6PPC. This has been proven many times.

The problem was when Sporter had the 23 caliber and above requirement, the majority of the shooters did not want to mess with 2 calibers. Since the 6mm was proving to be just as good, everybody migrated to it.

I would venture a guess that at one time, the majority of the records in the NBRSA and IBS for all three bag gun classes was in fact held by a legal Sporter. When the caliber rule changed the class structure, what used to be a legal LV became the go to Rifle for just about everyone.

The biggest joke is what Sporter became. When the rule was first changed, a few enterprising shooters tried to take advantage of the new stock and barrel profile rules. But it all kinda died on the vine.

At the last Nationals I attended 2 years ago, I don’t think one shooter was competing with what could be called a Sporter. When Sporter class was shot, they simply just continued with their Light Armint.