300 yard benchrest gun,... what would you shoot?

[JEFFPPC]

Order of importance in my mind. 1....shooter....2 wind reading ......3 tune......4 cartridge. In great conditions(seldom encountered) I would flip 2 and 3.

 

[jackieschmidt]

The PPC might be the easiest choice, but Bart Sauter was shooting a BRA at the Tack Driver with his own 103 Hammer Bullets.

At 300 meters, it took the gold.

 

[Fuj]

I know how yinz can shoot those 6ppc's, but at 300 yards with
the possibility of a good breeze. I'm bagging something a bit
heavier, and it won't be a 6mm.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I know how yinz can shoot those 6ppc's, but at 300 yards with
the possibility of a good breeze. I'm bagging something a bit
heavier, and it won't be a 6mm.

Your excused Fuj. Too many years in that Erie weather effects a guys mind.

 

[Fuj]

Your excused Fuj. Too many years in that Erie weather effects a guys mind.

Spent a nice sunny morning at the range today fire forming ELF
brass. That old Bartlein has about 2100 rounds thru it, and still
keeps em' close. Low on good powder, so I'm topping off the
cases with Staball under those 130 Sierra's. I may wait for Ethan
to spin on that Hart Barrel and get me a few hundred more cases
done.......It's still a work in progress.

 

[LHSmith]

Just curious, what competitions are being run where one feels the need to build a gun specifically for 300 yards. Group or Score or do both results count?

 

[Jason Boersma]

Just curious, what competitions are being run where one feels the need to build a gun specifically for 300 yards. Group or Score or do both results count?

The tack driver match

 

[BartsBullets]

You are correct. 2 out of the top 3 shooting 6PPC. I think the 6 is the answer regardless of which one.Its the shooter not the cartridge, If Bart had picked the PPC it would have been 3 0ut of 3.

For 300 yards and out I’d take a 6BRA. My gun was very capable of winning Group Agg. I just let the gun down. It did shoot the smallest group of the match.

However it’s hard to argue with the 6PPC as a choice. It’s highly accurate and lots of great bullets and cheaper to shoot. But it gets pushed around way more then my 6BRA running 103 gr bullets.

Bart

 

[JEFFPPC]

For 300 yards and out I’d take a 6BRA. My gun was very capable of winning Group Agg. I just let the gun down. It did shoot the smallest group of the match.

However it’s hard to argue with the 6PPC as a choice. It’s highly accurate and lots of great bullets and cheaper to shoot. But it gets pushed around way more then my 6BRA running 103 gr bullets.

Bart

At 300 yds with not good condtions the 103 bullet is an advantage. I just have so much faith in the PPC shooting it so often to 500 yds I usually pick it even when my brain says take the BRX. I don't think a lot of guys realize you can tune the BR based cartridges to shoot within a thin hair of a PPC. Now throw in some switching wind at 300, 103 becomes a good choice.

 

[DaveTooley]

For 300 yards and out I’d take a 6BRA. My gun was very capable of winning Group Agg. I just let the gun down. It did shoot the smallest group of the match.

However it’s hard to argue with the 6PPC as a choice. It’s highly accurate and lots of great bullets and cheaper to shoot. But it gets pushed around way more then my 6BRA running 103 gr bullets.

Bart

I shot beside Bart shooting a PPC and I've already gone scrounging through the ammo locker looking for something slightly larger. Found 100 pieces of brass ready to go. Now to find the barrel they fit in.

 

[gunnermhr]

Great info here, I dove into a PPC this year. I've done well with it, we have a match that is 300, 200 then a 100. It's crazy accurate, and the PPC shooting Barts 68's is the perfect combo. Like Jeff, I also shoot it at 500, if you can read the wind, it's hard to beat. My take is, 300 and under, 6PPC. Disciplines like groundhog matches 100, 300 and 500, the 6BR is hard to beat in anything less than good conditions If you're planning to shoot 300 and also stretch it out to a 1000 any of the 6BR improved cases will serve you well, thats. my 2 cents, and about all it worth

 

[Pablo]

Think a guy might need two rifles to shoot at 300, a BR, BRX, DASHER, BRA with heavy bullets, if it's windy. If it ain't the PPC would be the one.

 

[jackieschmidt]

At 300 yards, ( or meters, as was the Tack Driver), with flags and the ability to read them, a well tuned 6PPC is hard to beat.

I shot my LV 6PPC at the Tack Driver, and I can’t blame anything on the Rifle. At distances where conditions can be read in a precision manner, the Rifle with the best agging capability will be the best choice.

Bart’s Rifle certainly had the agging capability. That is a product of hours of dedication finding a combination with his 103 hammer that he knew was capable.

The good thing is, any dedicated shooter can duplicate that combo. I’m sure Bart is taking orders as we speak.

As for next year, I will try to have my own 103 6mm working. They are still a work in progress.

 

[Bugs]

You know, if a guy had a 12 twist no turn BR and a stash of Jef Fowler's old 80 grain flat base bullets, he might be pretty hard to beat at 300 yards.

 

[Ccrider]

At 300 yards, ( or meters, as was the Tack Driver), with flags and the ability to read them, a well tuned 6PPC is hard to beat.

I shot my LV 6PPC at the Tack Driver, and I can’t blame anything on the Rifle. At distances where conditions can be read in a precision manner, the Rifle with the best agging capability will be the best choice.

Bart’s Rifle certainly had the agging capability. That is a product of hours of dedication finding a combination with his 103 hammer that he knew was capable.

The good thing is, any dedicated shooter can duplicate that combo. I’m sure Bart is taking orders as we speak.

As for next year, I will try to have my own 103 6mm working. They are still a work in progress.

Looks loke Wayne France dominated s score with his 30br. He was certainly dialed in and out in a show, dropping into a few points in what was obviously bad conditions.
Would his gun not agg as tight as Bart’s bra?

 

[jackieschmidt]

Looks loke Wayne France dominated group with his 30br. He was certainly dialed in and out in a show, dropping into a few points in what was obviously bad conditions.
Would his gun not agg as tight as Bart’s bra?

Wayne dominated Score with his 30 BR. Like many of us, he probably lost just a few shots that cost him a lot in the Group portion.

AS an example, I went into the last target, which was a Group target, sitting close to the top ten in Group. The mirage had got so bad that I could not see any bullet holes. The wind was around 15 mph, switching from about a 20 degree left to right to about the same right to left Very quickly. That switch was good for about 4 inches on the target.

I decided to just hold dead on and try to put five shots in what I hoped would be the same condition. I did just that. I had no ideas where the bullets hit until I went and looked through a big spotting scope When the cease fire was called.

Four shots were knotted up in about a .800 group about a line to the right of the moth ball. One shot, I have no idea which, was clear across and outside the mothball. I obviously missed something coming across that kicked that bullet out there.

That made the group a 2.235. That one shot destroyed my Group Agg.

But the final Agg did not reflect the other 24 shots. It simply showed that I screwed up royally On one shot. That’s the way Group Shooting works.

The fact that Wayne only missed the 10 ring 3 times is reflective of how well his Rifle, and he, was shooting. Remember, that was a 200 yard target at 300 meters.

So to answer your question, Yes, Wayne‘s 30 was agging well enough to win the whole thing.

 

[DaveTooley]

You know, if a guy had a 12 twist no turn BR and a stash of Jef Fowler's old 80 grain flat base bullets, he might be pretty hard to beat at 300 yards.

They work fine in a 13

 

[Spook]

I like 6 grendle, but I'm not a follower either.

 

[rkittine]

Were I shoot short range bench rest, 100/200 is dominated by 6PPC, but 300 yard by 30BR and 6mmBR.

My main short range bench rest rifle is a change barrel / change weight gun built on a BAT B action. 3 pound weight in the buttstock and two barrels. One 6PPC and one 30BR. Makes both light 10.5 and 13.5 pound class. I don't shoot free recoil so the change in balance does not bother me. My back up is a 6mmBR Norma.

Bob

 

[Lefty Trigger]

Well I got a jump on one of next years projects because my barrel maker got my tube done really early. This was suppose to be my long range steel shooter but from what I'm seeing so far I may just shoot it in next years matches at 300. I built a 6mmXC around a 26 inch 7 twist X-Caliber barrel and with only 72 rounds fired for break-in it shot this 200 yard group with no tuning yet. Peterson 6XC brass, Hornady 105gr HPBT seated at .050 jump, RL-16 powder at 38.5gr with Fed 210m primer,... last 5 shots of the day!