Barrel Cleaning…one more time

[INTJ]

How do you short-stroke a bronze brush? Especially a tight bronze brush? I can't even get a nylon brush to reverse in the bore unless I spin it across the lands while reversing (not that I do that much.)

It can take a few full length passes with a new brush or a heavily fouled bore. Eventually the brush conforms and it can be short strokes.

 

[Field_2_Fork]

It can take a few full length passes with a new brush or a heavily fouled bore. Eventually the brush conforms and it can be short strokes.

Interesting. I've always been told that short stroking a bronze brush is about the worst thing a person can do to their barrel.

 

[Nature Boy]

I had to fireform some 6MM AI brass out of 6MM. I started with 10 gr Red Dot then filled with Cream of wheat and shoved the neck into a bar of soap. After about 15 rds I would let it set to cool the barrel off. Thats when I noticed how clean and smooth the barrel was. I had a Rem 700 17 Rem that had a fouled up barrel. I loaded 15 rds of Cream of wheats and shot them. That barrel was so clean its scary.

No patches or solvent to mess with for me.

what about substituting Metamucil for Cream of Wheat? I know it leaves my bore pretty clean

 

[INTJ]

Interesting. I've always been told that short stroking a bronze brush is about the worst thing a person can do to their barrel.

I have heard that as well. I have never seen that be an issue. For the nylon and non-abrasives guys what I am saying is a horror. But this method works for a lot of us.

 

[jackieschmidt]

In short range Benchrest, most of us clean after every group. To my knowledge, we all use a bronze brush.

i don’t overclean my barrels. I follow Kriegers recommendations in that I am not interested in getting every smitten of the “wash” that you all see with your borescopes. Krieger says you should leave that in there on their cut rifled barrels. After two rounds, it’s back anyway.
we don’t shoot in competition with squeaky clean barrels.

Here is a true story.

At one of the Group Nationals some years back at Midland, a bunch of us were”sitting around the campfire” the night before the Light Varmint 100, discussing our various methods of cleaning. A very well know shooter produced a bore scope.

We all brought our rifles out so the borescope could tell the tale. When mine was examined, I was asked if I had cleaned it after the last match. I said yes, my usual regiment, many strokes with a bronze brush saturated with Butches Bore Shine. I then run as many wet patches through as it took for the patches to come out clean.

I was informed that my barrel had all sorts of stuff in it, at the very least I should scrub it with ISSO, JB, or what ever. It might be too far gone. Dead on arrival.

I said no, it was ready to go to the line.

I went out the next morning and won the yardage with a nice .162 agg.

I put nothing in my barrels but Butches Bore Shine. I use a bronze brush Religiously. I shoot only cut rifled barrels.

And I haven’t had my borescope out of it’s box in years.

 

[JimPag]

In short range Benchrest, most of us clean after every group. To my knowledge, we all use a bronze brush.

i don’t overclean my barrels. I follow Kriegers recommendations in that I am not interested in getting every smitten of the “wash” that you all see with your borescopes. Krieger says you should leave that in there on their cut rifled barrels. After two rounds, it’s back anyway.
we don’t shoot in competition with squeaky clean barrels.

Here is a true story.

At one of the Group Nationals some years back at Midland, a bunch of us were”sitting around the campfire” the night before the Light Varmint 100, discussing our various methods of cleaning. A very well know shooter produced a bore scope.

We all brought our rifles out so the borescope could tell the tale. When mine was examined, I was asked if I had cleaned it after the last match. I said yes, my usual regiment, many strokes with a bronze brush saturated with Butches Bore Shine. I then run as many wet patches through as it took for the patches to come out clean.

I was informed that my barrel had all sorts of stuff in it, at the very least I should scrub it with ISSO, JB, or what ever. It might be too far gone. Dead on arrival.

I said no, it was ready to go to the line.

I went out the next morning and won the yardage with a nice .162 agg.

I put nothing in my barrels but Butches Bore Shine. I use a bronze brush Religiously. I shoot only cut rifled barrels.

And I haven’t had my borescope out of it’s box in years.

Jackie. Have you tried any other bore cleaner than Butch's? I use to use that but a friend gave me a case of Wipe-Out Patch-Out and I tested it against Butch's and the Patch-Out was the clear winner. When I just bought all of Tony Boyer's stuff recently he had at least 8 cases of Wipe out products. I know probably he got all that stuff for nothing, but he swears by the stuff

 

[Brians356]

I had to fireform some 6MM AI brass out of 6MM. I started with 10 gr Red Dot then filled with Cream of wheat and shoved the neck into a bar of soap. After about 15 rds I would let it set to cool the barrel off. Thats when I noticed how clean and smooth the barrel was. I had a Rem 700 17 Rem that had a fouled up barrel. I loaded 15 rds of Cream of wheats and shot them. That barrel was so clean its scary.

No patches or solvent to mess with for me.

Just curious, did you try cream of wheat without the soap plug?
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[wedgy]

Another approach to try;

5 minutes on cleaning

www.longrangehunting.com

 

[tsyarnall]

I know this is a religion, here’s my latest spin.

Patch with Hoppe’s for powder fouling, two, one hour soak with Wipe-out. One or two brushings with a tight nylon brush and ThorroClean, followed by a few patches to clean up.

This is my Hart 223 barrel with 1500 total rounds. Pretty clean and ready to be made dirty again.

Isn’t it amazing how we’ll spend so much time getting our rifles all pretty and clean, only to dirty them up again.

 

[tsyarnall]

“..................However, they also tend to toss their barrels with a relatively low round count..............”

I would gladly pay the shipping on a few of those “toss-away” barrels to have them shipped my way.

 

[INTJ]

Isn’t it amazing how we’ll spend so much time getting our rifles all pretty and clean, only to dirty them up again.

That's why we don't worry about getting them super clean. Mostly clean is okay, and sometimes even partially clean is okay.

 

[INTJ]

I would gladly pay the shipping on a few of those “toss-away” barrels to have them shipped my way.

I have found since getting my own lathe that barrels don't seem to last as long......

 

[Kracken McGraw]

That's why we don't worry about getting them super clean. Mostly clean is okay, and sometimes even partially clean is okay.

I need to take this to heart!
Lately I’ve been getting them squeaky clean then doing the three dot deal of Loc-ease down the barrel to get it fowled again. Makes you scratch your head a little.

 

[1lessdog]

Just curious, did you try cream of wheat without the soap plug?
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There is no way to keep the Cream of wheat in the case , unless I used poly fill plug.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Jackie. Have you tried any other bore cleaner than Butch's? I use to use that but a friend gave me a case of Wipe-Out Patch-Out and I tested it against Butch's and the Patch-Out was the clear winner. When I just bought all of Tony Boyer's stuff recently he had at least 8 cases of Wipe out products. I know probably he got all that stuff for nothing, but he swears by the stuff

Jim, ever since Butches came out, I have used it. I simply have Not seen a need to use anything else.

I can remember when Tony used that blue concoction that I think he mixed up Himself. I have no idea what was in it, but it was pretty potent.

I may get some Patch Out and try It.

 

[JMayo]

How do you short-stroke a bronze brush? Especially a tight bronze brush? I can't even get a nylon brush to reverse in the bore unless I spin it across the lands while reversing (not that I do that much.)

A worn one will... I go through a brush ever couple of matches.

This takes soaking a little ! Cr10 & bortec, losso got it out

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

A worn one will... I go through a brush ever couple of matches.
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This takes soaking a little ! Cr10 & bortec, losso got it out

I don't think I have ever seen a barrel look like that. It''s grosse.

 

[Brians356]

There is no way to keep the Cream of wheat in the case , unless I used poly fill plug.

Sure there is. Choose the appropriate Lee powder dipper. Pour a powder charge into a case, chamber it with the rifle pointed upward, aim the rifle at the nearest cloud, pull trigger, and reiterate until all cases are formed.

If you must pre-load the cases, place a block of foam rubber atop the case mouths, slightly compressed under the cartridge box lid.

PS I don't use filler at all, just powder in the case. I tried inert filler and plug, and settled on just powder, after considerable experimentation. Without filler you may need to increase the powder charge somewhat, I think 15% to 20% of case capacity of Bullseye is what I settled on for a sharply-formed shoulder forming 250 AI. I also lightly lube the body of the case with Kroil or Rem Oil, just a slight film.
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[jelenko]

Right. But, that's a very clear picture of it.

 

[JMayo]

There is no way to keep the Cream of wheat in the case , unless I used poly fill plug.

I used a small punch to press a .5" patch in the case of 6mm. It held it great.