Electronic Targets Help

[sdean]

Adam admits 1/4 " possible error on his website. That is acceptable to a lot of people in lieu of pit service. I have the same experience as Robin in that they probably average out. I have never had the feeling that the best shooter that day didn't win because of an Etarget.

 

[TylerFromMS]

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You must shoot on a range where the wind doesn't blow or what Robin and I have been trying to explain to you has zoomed right over your head. It's not all about the frames. You could hang an E target on a bomb proof mount and when the wind blows on it, you will see variances. End of story. I give up.

Provide proof. Yes, I’m sure you’re much smarter than me and it has all flew right over my peanut brain. You are stating this as fact. I would like to see your studies.

The sensors on a shotmarker are roughly 4” apart from front to back. A bullet from a 6mm bra is crossing at roughly 2050fps, or 1,398mph. How much deflection does a 10mph wind cause over that 4”? Edit: not to the bullet, but to a shockwave.

I have not seen the variances in my testing.

 

[Medic505]

why do you keep trying to provide facts on the interweb. Lol. I thought you were smarter than that. Hahaha.
People just want to say your a bitcher when providing facts about them but yet you say you like to shoot on them.

From this point forward I'm just going to sit in the corner and eat crayolas with you and Warren.

FWIW, I detest shooting on E targets.

 

[Warren Dean]

From this point forward I'm just going to sit in the corner and eat crayolas with you and Warren.

FWIW, I detest shooting on E targets.

I call dibs on the purple ones!!!

 

[Medic505]

You would......

 

[Warren Dean]

You would......

Jealous butt.

 

[lawman29]

I have shot F class mid and long range matches on both Silver mountain and shot maker. Silver mountain would get my vote. Much less problems than shot maker in my experiences at matches.

 

[243Mendoza]

Shoot, on a windy day, a 10 shot string on a fresh face and compare the paper to the monitor. Let us know what you find. Do this a few times. Some days it will be spot on. Other days you might be a bit surprised. Do it in a pretty good rain shower on multiple targets and see what occurs. I love the convenience of e targets as well as the equalization of pit service....no doubt. I would like to see them used at nationals but only after more development.

I've done extensive testing on Shotmarker, Solo, SMT/G2 and HEXTA at 1000yd. All the external mike targets were similar in accuracy while the internal mike system (HEXTA) are an order of magnitude more accurate.

 

[243Mendoza]

Well our club is located a few miles North of Seattle so wind and rain are common factor.
I am not dismissing your comments however I can only comment on the results that we have seen at our club.

Machias? That range has the least wind of all the ranges in WA.

 

[rardoin]

I've done extensive testing on Shotmarker, Solo, SMT/G2 and HEXTA at 1000yd. All the external mike targets were similar in accuracy while the internal mike system (HEXTA) are an order of magnitude more accurate.

I would expect the closed mic systems to not have the wind related accuracy degradation of the open mic systems. However, the fly in the ointment is maintenance of the membranes on the Hexta. If the x-ring area is punched out on a Hexta then problems occur. One range I have shot at has had this happen when the membrane were not changed out on an adequate schedule. A well maintained Hexta system is really great but pricey.

 

[243Mendoza]

I would expect the closed mic systems to not have the wind related accuracy degradation of the open mic systems. However, the fly in the ointment is maintenance of the membranes on the Hexta. If the x-ring area is punched out on a Hexta then problems occur. One range I have shot at has had this happen when the membrane were not changed out on an adequate schedule. A well maintained Hexta system is really great but pricey.

Yes. Each system as their plus and minus.

Now to open a new controversy: did not the NRA promise to come out with a certification procedure for etargets a year or two or three ago? Maybe they realized the difficulties and controversies.

 

[Rtheurer]

Yes. Each system as their plus and minus.

Now to open a new controversy: did not the NRA promise to come out with a certification procedure for etargets a year or two or three ago? Maybe they realized the difficulties and controversies.

Or Maybe there is THREE people working in the Competitions Division right now running everything from Pistol, Smallbore, Highpower, Silhouette, Blackpowder, and who knows what else.

 

[243Mendoza]

Yes, but they never gave an update in years.

The new priority for the NRA is their physical survival against the jihad of the NY AG.

 

[Ned Ludd]

In the past, I have been a strong advocate against the use of e-targets in F-Class. Not so much because of the potential for scoring errors, but simply because they change the way the game is played, regardless of however infinitesimal those changes may seem to those that heartily approve of their use. Compared to what is lost due to the fairly widespread implementation of e-targets across the country, the gains have never seemed worth it, which is solely my opinion.

Nonetheless, I recently ordered one...yeah, that's right...I caved. Why? As was predictable when the notion that many shooting ranges would switch over to e-targets became apparent, the only real choices left to shooters once a range switched were either to participate, or to not participate. I ultimately decided I had too much invested in shooting F-Class to simply quit and walk away from it. Having made that decision, it became pretty obvious that owning an e-target for practice and to familiarize myself with any nuances associated with its use in matches would be a good idea. Once I had reached that particular late/end stage of e-target denial, I realized most of my objections to their use were unsupportable. Not that my objections were wrong, per se, but they carried less weight in my mind when the alternative was not shooting F-Class matches at all. Whether one likes the idea of using e-targets in matches or not (I don't), when it boils down to either participating, or not participating, the choice becomes rather simple and many of the common complaints about any potential fallibilities of e-targets become moot.

That is not to say that pointing out potential flaws in e-target technology and its use in matches is a bad thing. It isn't. That is at least part of what will likely drive the improvement of the technology over time. As long as there is room for improvement, it is only fair to point out the fact that there IS still room for improvement. In the meantime, I'm not really sure what I am going to do with all my newfound "free time" at matches, and at home afterward as the matches seem to run much more quickly with e-targets. I'll guess I'll just have to find some way to fill the void, but on the surface, eating crayons doesn't seem all that appealing, so I'll have to think of something else. LOL.

 

[243Mendoza]

In the past, I have been a strong advocate against the use of e-targets in F-Class. Not so much because of the potential for scoring errors, but simply because they change the way the game is played, regardless of however infinitesimal those changes may seem to those that heartily approve of their use. Compared to what is lost due to the fairly widespread implementation of e-targets across the country, the gains have never seemed worth it, which is solely my opinion.

Nonetheless, I recently ordered one...yeah, that's right...I caved. Why? As was predictable when the notion that many shooting ranges would switch over to e-targets became apparent, the only real choices left to shooters once a range switched were either to participate, or to not participate. I ultimately decided I had too much invested in shooting F-Class to simply quit and walk away from it. Having made that decision, it became pretty obvious that owning an e-target for practice and to familiarize myself with any nuances associated with its use in matches would be a good idea. Once I had reached that particular late/end stage of e-target denial, I realized most of my objections to their use were unsupportable. Not that my objections were wrong, per se, but they carried less weight in my mind when the alternative was not shooting F-Class matches at all. Whether one likes the idea of using e-targets in matches or not (I don't), when it boils down to either participating, or not participating, the choice becomes rather simple and many of the common complaints about any potential fallibilities of e-targets become moot.

That is not to say that pointing out potential flaws in e-target technology and its use in matches is a bad thing. It isn't. That is at least part of what will likely drive the improvement of the technology over time. As long as there is room for improvement, it is only fair to point out the fact that there IS still room for improvement. In the meantime, I'm not really sure what I am going to do with all my newfound "free time" at matches, and at home afterward as the matches seem to run much more quickly with e-targets. I'll guess I'll just have to find some way to fill the void, but on the surface, eating crayons doesn't seem all that appealing, so I'll have to think of something else. LOL.

I think that your free time will be occupied by handloading more ammo (assuming you have an adequate stash) since you will be practicing more

 

[Ned Ludd]

I think that your free time will be occupied by handloading more ammo (assuming you have an adequate stash) since you will be practicing more

I spend significant time practicing and reloading as it is. Reloading is not nearly as much fun as shooting. In fact, you're making the crayon thing sound more appealing.

 

[Big_Daddy]

Machias? That range has the least wind of all the ranges in WA.

Ok...Well maybe wind isn't the biggest factor on our range....LOL

 

[MattPeetz]

In the past, I have been a strong advocate against the use of e-targets in F-Class. Not so much because of the potential for scoring errors, but simply because they change the way the game is played, regardless of however infinitesimal those changes may seem to those that heartily approve of their use. Compared to what is lost due to the fairly widespread implementation of e-targets across the country, the gains have never seemed worth it, which is solely my opinion.

Nonetheless, I recently ordered one...yeah, that's right...I caved. Why? As was predictable when the notion that many shooting ranges would switch over to e-targets became apparent, the only real choices left to shooters once a range switched were either to participate, or to not participate. I ultimately decided I had too much invested in shooting F-Class to simply quit and walk away from it. Having made that decision, it became pretty obvious that owning an e-target for practice and to familiarize myself with any nuances associated with its use in matches would be a good idea. Once I had reached that particular late/end stage of e-target denial, I realized most of my objections to their use were unsupportable. Not that my objections were wrong, per se, but they carried less weight in my mind when the alternative was not shooting F-Class matches at all. Whether one likes the idea of using e-targets in matches or not (I don't), when it boils down to either participating, or not participating, the choice becomes rather simple and many of the common complaints about any potential fallibilities of e-targets become moot.

That is not to say that pointing out potential flaws in e-target technology and its use in matches is a bad thing. It isn't. That is at least part of what will likely drive the improvement of the technology over time. As long as there is room for improvement, it is only fair to point out the fact that there IS still room for improvement. In the meantime, I'm not really sure what I am going to do with all my newfound "free time" at matches, and at home afterward as the matches seem to run much more quickly with e-targets. I'll guess I'll just have to find some way to fill the void, but on the surface, eating crayons doesn't seem all that appealing, so I'll have to think of something else. LOL.

You only got one cause you were “ f*** that Peetz Chump”. Lol

 

[Ned Ludd]

No, no, no, that wasn't it. LOL. The competition in F-Class matches these days is tough enough without even giving up a single point to something like a lack of familiarity with shooting on e-targets. I already give away enough points to my competitors; what with me jerking the trigger once or twice a match and making bad wind calls. I don't think I need to help them out any more than that.

 

[Medic505]

What's obvious is as Americans in general grow more corpulent and indolent, the acceptance of E targets will continue to be the greatest thing since sliced white bread.