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There are several causes for what are often called fliers, those rounds that strike in unexpected places.
Among them are the rifle, the conditions, the shooter/set up, and the ammo.
If looking at the ammo, it's important to keep in mind that the name on the box is not a guarantee of the ammo's performance in your rifle. Since different lots of ammo can perform differently in a rifle, it's possible you have a lot that is not consistent -- at least in yours. Additionally, it's not surprising if a box of an otherwise good lot of ammo has one or two inconsistently performing rounds.
Among them are the rifle, the conditions, the shooter/set up, and the ammo.
If looking at the ammo, it's important to keep in mind that the name on the box is not a guarantee of the ammo's performance in your rifle. Since different lots of ammo can perform differently in a rifle, it's possible you have a lot that is not consistent -- at least in yours. Additionally, it's not surprising if a box of an otherwise good lot of ammo has one or two inconsistently performing rounds.
Give this a look if you have not stumbled upon it yet.
22 LR Bullet Sorting
I recently started shooting rimfire. Seems I get a lot of flyers in most brands of ammo I have tried. Last week I took the time to measure rim thickness. I had three bricks of different brands of ammo and sorted each brick. I sorted them at .005. Each brand came in at three different thicknesses...
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Could you elaborate a bit more?
The first thing that you have to do is figure out what is causing them.
Until you do this, you are just guessing and chasing ghosts.
Flyers, out of all the photographs I have seen coming from the Lapua test center I have never seen a flyer?
That leads me to believe that the flyers com from set up, shooter and the big w=wind. I recently put 9 shoots in to the 10 ring and one into the 8 ring, I believe it was me not seeing a wind condition.
That leads me to believe that the flyers com from set up, shooter and the big w=wind. I recently put 9 shoots in to the 10 ring and one into the 8 ring, I believe it was me not seeing a wind condition.
please define an accurate system?
Mine is a Stiller Trident, KSS barrel, Bix trigger, and Ezell Tuner.
I agree with cdiver. After a flier, I go over a list of things like where was my finger on the trigger, how was my position ect. The environment comes into play when shooting outdoors. That list of things is mostly wind and sun. Did the sun go behind a cloud or did the cloud cover lift, was the sun in my eyes. The wind that I am familar with dosen't cause just 1 flier but more like horizontal stringing. As has already been said, move indoors and bolt the gun to a ton chunk of cement and the fliers go away with the same ammunition. In short, the human element is the weakest link.
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linekin
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What distance were you shooting?
What rest setup are you using?
Were you using wind flags? If so, what condition were you shooting?
What target are you shooting & how far out are the fliers?
Are there any consistency in the fliers themselves as to their location?
Have you tried other ammo resulting in 0 fliers?
Sorry for all the questions but a little more info is necessary.
Keith
doclu60
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Ha! If you are going by "pictures", yep.....you aren't going to see flyers! I have tested at Lapua in Mesa at least 5 times, in the room during testing, and seen LOTS of fliers on the computer screen. You think people post pictures of that? No, they post pictures of the best groups their rifle shot.
The rest of your post is more likely real world. Missed condition, or one that didn't show on the flags. Hitch in the rest, shooter error, or as had already been posted, just a plain old bad round in the box. It happens.
Scott
An accurate system will not have fliers. Good benchrest quality ammo a true flier is a very rare bird.
Scott I have watched numerous videos of rifles being tested and again not one flyer. The last target I shot (10 rounds) at 100 yds. The wind was switching from 2 o'clock to 6 o'clock but a good bit of the time it was 3 o,clock, occasionally the flag nearest the 100 yards would switch to 9 o,clock. I ended with 9 shots inside the 10 ring not even touching the line one shot in the 8 ring at 3 o,clock my fault I did not look at the last flag as I did not think it would effect the shot being close to the target.I will be going to the test center soon and if there are flyers I will post it.
David
doclu60
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Well Dave, you are obviously shooting a different target then what I am, as 9 shots inside the 10 ring on the target I shoot that has a ten ring (IR50/50 target) at 100yds would be some kind of a world record, I'm sure! So, perhaps we should look at post #15 by Jamie and define what is a flier? A flier for a somewhat competent sanctioned RFBR shooter, and we do not compete at 100yds, is going to be a lot smaller than what you may think is a flier.....IMO. Below is a group I shot last week at 100yds with my .223. The cluster is 4 shots, the first four, at 3/8" raw. The fifth shot opened up the group to 5/8", again raw. Now center to center on the whole group is still under a half inch. Not bad for a hunting rifle. IMO was the last shot a flier? Damn straight it was!
Full discloser: Cherry picked group, best of the day. Flier was NOT ammo, I pulled that shot. The group does show what the rifle/ammo combination is capable of though and how small of a deviation of where the shots fall as far as one person's definition of what a flier is.
I hope you have a good test session. One can learn a lot by actually seeing it in person.
Scott
For me a flyer has to be not touching the other holes. and I don't think you can compare what a 223 does to a 22. This is my target at 100 (0.755 bulls eye) with the one flyer, every one was complaining that the could not get a handle on the wind. By the way I took first place in this compotition
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