Firearms prohibitions

[Field_2_Fork]

Possibly you are aware that here in Canada there is a very strong push right now to prohibit nearly 2500 additional models of guns, as well as increased restrictions in many other ways. (all while the sitting government turned down a Conservative motion to increase penalties for violent crimes and gun offenses, in fact they just removed the minimum sentencing requirements for a long list of firearm and other crimes... figure that out!)

Listening to our 'honorable safety minister' today in the house of commons, where Bill-C21 (mentioned above) was blathering away, spreading nothing buy untruths and fear as he typically does, he mentioned how great New Zealand , Australia, the UK were doing since their gun prohibitions.

(Here's the point of my post) He also mentioned that even the US had prohibited these weapons of war for a decade.

Can someone tell me what he is referring to?

 

[riflewoman]

Tha “Assault Weapons Ban” of 1994. It sunsetted in 2004. It was found to be largely ineffective.

 

[Thauglor]

I am guessing he is referring to the assault weapons ban from 1994 to 2004. I don't know if it really banned them, it stopped them from getting imported but it was based on a list of features. A rifle with a flash suppressor was a no-no, but the same rifle with a barrel without a flash suppressor was ok. There was a list of features as I said. Another one of those laws that makes citizens into criminals instead of punishing actual criminals.

 

[jepp2]

He also mentioned that even the US had prohibited these weapons of war for a decade.

Probably the 1994 crime bill. It had a 10 year sunset on it, and it was not renewed. Minor cosmetic changes allowed continued production during the 10 years. None were confiscated. There was also a 10 round magazine limit but no collection of higher capacity. Crime was not reduced as a result.

If someone wants to save lives, this is where there is the potential.

 

[FNSafari]

Possibly you are aware that here in Canada there is a very strong push right now to prohibit nearly 2500 additional models of guns, as well as increased restrictions in many other ways. (all while the sitting government turned down a Conservative motion to increase penalties for violent crimes and gun offenses, in fact they just removed the minimum sentencing requirements for a long list of firearm and other crimes... figure that out!)

Listening to our 'honorable safety minister' today in the house of commons, where Bill-C21 (mentioned above) was blathering away, spreading nothing buy untruths and fear as he typically does, he mentioned how great New Zealand , Australia, the UK were doing since their gun prohibitions.

(Here's the point of my post) He also mentioned that even the US had prohibited these weapons of war for a decade.

Can someone tell me what he is referring to?

You poor folks North of the border.

 

[Field_2_Fork]

If someone wants to save lives, this is where there is the potential.
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I assume these are US based numbers making the totals significantly higher than they would be here, the proportions however I would estimate to be similar here.

Particularly interesting is the 'medical error'. There is a small, yet very vocal group of doctors up here know as 'doctors against guns' or something similar, and for some reason they seem to get a lot of media attention, and they seem to have the ear of politicians and people.

They spout nothing buy nonsense, using US based stats (which are drastically different than Canada), yet people believe everything they say.

A big problem here is that there are only approx. 2.2 million gun owners (total population is 35 million), and unless you are a licensed gun owner they don't know anything about how strict our laws actually are, and they believe the hog-wash they are being fed.

I'm truly worried because handguns are next, then rifles and shotguns, I have no doubt about this.

 

[riflewoman]

Probably the 1994 crime bill. It had a 10 year sunset on it, and it was not renewed. Minor cosmetic changes allowed continued production during the 10 years. None were confiscated. There was also a 10 round magazine limit but no collection of higher capacity. Crime was not reduced as a result.

If someone wants to save lives, this is where there is the potential.
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The 4th biggest cause of death.... on another forum (Facebook as I recall), a friend of mine was getting into it with a Medical Practitioner about gun control. The medicine man wanted more, then I brought up that statistic. I then related what happened to a dear friend who had an Aortic Dissection after undergoing gastric bypass. His wife was watching him die and the doctors could do nothing.... he wasn’t even 65. Anyway, the medicine man shut up...

 

[justpassinthru]

Articles like these get my blood boiling. It's always solely the guns fault:
The Gun Violence Epidemic Impacts Black Americans the Most | HuffPost

Gun violence in the US kills more black people and urban dwellers (theconversation.com)

 

[Straightshooter1]

If people (especially our legislators) would just look at the data, like what the FBI has as a matter of public record. A couple years back I check out the FBI records looking weapons used in homicides and found the guns are the largest/majority involved. But . . . when you look as the types of guns involved in homicides, handguns are a huge amount (and includes suicides) and rifles (all rifles) are a very small portion. In fact, it showed that fewer rifles were used in homicide deaths than knives. Knives killed more people than rifles, so maybe we should have strict laws for the purchase of knives before anyone goes to any restrictions on rifles??? LOL

 

[Field_2_Fork]

Our proposed legislation also includes the prohibition of anything that "looks exactly like a real firearm", this includes airsoft guns, pellet guns etc.

They are trying to eliminate all gun culture, including not raising children shooting pellet guns etc.

 

[BigJohnson2]

Our proposed legislation also includes the prohibition of anything that "looks exactly like a real firearm", this includes airsoft guns, pellet guns etc.

They are trying to eliminate all gun culture, including not raising children shooting pellet guns etc.

Are they going to ban movies with guns?

 

[FNSafari]

Are they going to ban movies with guns?

NO, too many Nastywood stars make their money off of violence in movies and then campaign to restrict our second amendment right. Classic, clear and unambiguous example of hypocrites.

Kinda like an anti hunter spouting off reasons not to hunt, while salivating over prime rib. Geesh!!! Don't some people look in the mirror?

 

[338 dude]

Our proposed legislation also includes the prohibition of anything that "looks exactly like a real firearm", this includes airsoft guns, pellet guns etc.

They are trying to eliminate all gun culture, including not raising children shooting pellet guns etc.

They are trying to do it here what I’m talking about is erasing history if we erase history we are destined to repeat it!

 

[338 dude]

Are they going to ban movies with guns?

We all know Hollywood works with the government and has their own set of rules You can barely watch anything in movies nowadays because your favorite actors are turning into politicians and speaking out against gun ownership and I refuse to watch any actor that does this so my list of acceptable movies is fading fast

 

[Lesloan]

Probably the 1994 crime bill. It had a 10 year sunset on it, and it was not renewed. Minor cosmetic changes allowed continued production during the 10 years. None were confiscated. There was also a 10 round magazine limit but no collection of higher capacity. Crime was not reduced as a result.

If someone wants to save lives, this is where there is the potential.
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I don't find these numbers surprising, but iIt would be helpful to know the source, time period, location and methodology behind them. Without that information the data is open to challenge.

 

[nakneker]

I don't find these numbers surprising, but iIt would be helpful to know the source, time period, location and methodology behind them. Without that information the data is open to challenge.

A valid point but even if the numbers were half of what is stated it’s still speaking to a point that is often ignored.

 

[jepp2]

Without that information the data is open to challenge.

I don't disagree at all. The leading causes - cancer, heart disease and abortion are readily available with a simple search. If you look at the FBI data for causes of death from violent crimes, the number for rifles (all types, not just the AR type) it is easy to confirm. More folks are killed with clubs and hammers than rifles. The one that takes some searching - WONDER WHY is deaths due to medical mistakes. The AMA for some reason doesn't share this information. The most accurate estimates I have seen from reputable sources is 450,000 deaths per year. NOBODY seems to be alarmed by this.

The number of teenagers killed by texting while driving is readily available at 11 per day.
The number of deaths due to Fentanyl only was over 80,000 in 2019 per the history shared during a Drugs Inc episode - more than firearms (all causes including suicide and homicide) + car accidents. Why not just stop the illegal import?

Remember after Sandy Hook when our President took like 27 actions on gun violence? One of them was to get the CDC to study gun use in crimes. CDC study results were that guns are used in the commission of a crime and estimated 300,000 times per year. And guns are used to PREVENT a crime between 500,000 to 3,000,000 times per year. Since the results weren't what Obama desired, they were never shared. You can easily find the study results.

The point is that if you are interested in saving lives there is so much larger potential by working on things other than restricting law abiding gun owners access and use to firearms. The message by anti gun needs to be recognized at what the true driving force is.

 

[Field_2_Fork]

Are they going to ban movies with guns?

They are banning any advertising that 'glorifies' guns or violence.

 

[TIMO]

Good info and as always a lot to think about.
At every level of our government (all politicians), nobody wants to discuss the BIG elephant in the room, they keep walking around it pretending it does not exist. if it was truly addressed their political career would be over as they would be labeled and shunned in our PC society regardless of which side they were on. One item that I have started doing, is when a reference is made to Gun Violence, I correct them and say it is Human Violence. It may not have a lot of impact, but it may make them stop for a moment and think.
just .02 cents worth.
Tim

 

[joshb]

They are banning any advertising that 'glorifies' guns or violence.

How about those “shoot’em up” video games?
I was watching an old Western on Grit TV. Cowboys shooting Indians. Cavalry soldiers pushing renegades back to the Reservation. Good guys saving the helpless damsel in distress.
They’ll be next.