Front rest?
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Dusty Stevens
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With wind there is always a time constraint. There is no such time as no wind so the faster you shoot the more accurate you are so yes they are more accurate in reality- in theory, no
Maybe I’m lazy but I could never imagine shooting without one unless I was shooting F-T/R of course. The ability to make quick micro adjustments without squeezing a bag is worth every penny. Thet being said I’ve been spanked by my share of guys using a non-joystick setup and not everyone likes a joystick. Try to see if anyone has one you can borrow and see if you like it.
Pot-a-toes, Pot-ah-toes
. I've had both as have others. For F-class I like the Seb/joystick as I am vertically challenged with arms to match and I shoot a stock with a long wheelbase. Reaching a joystick is easier/faster than the Sinclair comp I had. Both are as accurate on the hold as you make them with your set-up/positioning. I also suggest shooting with both and see what floats your boat. One advantage of the Seb is you can usually get most of your money back if ends up not being to your liking.
. I've had both as have others. For F-class I like the Seb/joystick as I am vertically challenged with arms to match and I shoot a stock with a long wheelbase. Reaching a joystick is easier/faster than the Sinclair comp I had. Both are as accurate on the hold as you make them with your set-up/positioning. I also suggest shooting with both and see what floats your boat. One advantage of the Seb is you can usually get most of your money back if ends up not being to your liking.It depends on the shooting discipline. Many of us in LR BR think joysticks encourage to much fiddling around, which slows you down and opens up your groups. Also, a joystick isn't likely as precise as say the Sinclair Comp rest with the Field and Cave speed screw.
That said, I don't think there is a huge difference and either works well enough.
That said, I don't think there is a huge difference and either works well enough.
I shot a Seb for the first time this weekend. Give me my Gary Hayes solid front rest and a nice soft squeezer bag for the rear bag. Maybe with more practice the Seb will be more to my liking but the Seb was borrowed and I may never get the chance again.
Liven The Dream
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Well my 2cents . Long time sling shooter Palma and long range .
Age sent me to the Dark Side “F/Class”
I got a Joy Pod the rave ! Found it jumped with my big .308 Rifle ???
I now have a SEB Mini . This has lots of adjustments, you will love that in time .
The Joy Stick is great , takes time and practice to Master all types of shooting .
Age sent me to the Dark Side “F/Class”
I got a Joy Pod the rave ! Found it jumped with my big .308 Rifle ???
I now have a SEB Mini . This has lots of adjustments, you will love that in time .
The Joy Stick is great , takes time and practice to Master all types of shooting .
The best thing I can tell you . Some people like Chevys, others Fords. Its up to you . Just my two cents. Tommy Mc
Like INTJ said it all depends on your shooting discipline that your in. I shoot short range score. 97% of the guy's shooting this type of discipline have a joystick rest. We have 5 targets that we are suppose to shoot within 7 to 10 minutes depending on the time the match director wants to give us. 99% of the time up in the Northeast it's usually 10 minutes, down south it's always 7 because they usually shoot two aggs in one day and a third in two days if it's a 3 yardage match. Our matches up here are usually a one day one yardage shoot or if it's a state match 2 yardages in 2 days. My southern brothers won't go for that because unlike the boys down south most of us up here are a bunch of retired senior citizens. The southern crowd is a lot younger for the most part and still working. If your a runner which I am a joystick is a must. If there is a condition that is holding steady I'll run all five targets in less than ten seconds. But if your not careful and the condition changes and your so caught up in getting all the shots off you can get bitten. If your a picker who waits for the condition that you choose or 2 conditions that u choose then a regular non joystick will do but if the condition doesn't come back in your allotted time then it's scramble time to get how many shots off that you have left and with a non joystick you can become unglued when you have 15 seconds left and 3 targets to shoot.
WyleWD
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If there are no time constraints.... I see no reason to have a joystick rest. Save your money and buy a really good set of windflags and use them everytime you shoot and learn to read them. A good Sinclair or Bald eagle pedestal rest with the correctly fitted and filled front bag rest and a windage top and you're good to go. JME. WD
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afret
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Hey, thanks to all for the great info. I don't compete and just have fun at the local range 2-4 times a week to test things and try to get the smallest groups I can. I'm only a novice that started reloading about a year ago trying to see what's out there that can help with my goal. I can take all the time I want and don't shoot in a rush unless I need to finish a group quickly if others show up and need to go out and put out or check targets. I really appreciate the help all of you constantly provide on this website. Thanks again!
Most of us in LR BR run as well, and the trend has been away from joysticks, though both types are still used successfully. The key in LR BR is to focus on tracking so you don't have to adjust the rest much. Hopefully, when you do adjust it is a fine adjustment, and the joystick doesn't allow quite as precise of an adjustment. Now if your tracking is awful then a joystick is better. We shoot for both group and score, but we only shoot one bull at a time for record.
That said, the differences between the two types are minimal and both work well.
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AND...... kudos to you sir for being a novice (like the rest of us that have been doing this forever
) and having a GOLD membership status!! others should take note, this is the BEST site on the planet for rifle minded individuals and we should take care of it as suchIn that case get a Sinclair with an appropriate top/bag for your forearm.
coldboreshot
Silver $$ Contributor
+1 ^^^^^^^^^^^
Depends on the shooting discipline and the rifle.
With a hunting stock I've found limited use for a joystick. With angled foreend and buttstock, regular bags are typically more useful for adjustment. Or a bipod and rear bad. When I entered F-Class I was using my hunting rifle, started with bipod/bag and obtained a Bald Eagle with Shadetree joystick top, it was marginally useful. Build a real F-Class rifle with dedicated stock, suddenly the joystick rest was MUCH more useful. With a dedicated F-Class stock I can't imagine any other option being as effective. With hunting rifles, I still use other options effectively.
With a hunting stock I've found limited use for a joystick. With angled foreend and buttstock, regular bags are typically more useful for adjustment. Or a bipod and rear bad. When I entered F-Class I was using my hunting rifle, started with bipod/bag and obtained a Bald Eagle with Shadetree joystick top, it was marginally useful. Build a real F-Class rifle with dedicated stock, suddenly the joystick rest was MUCH more useful. With a dedicated F-Class stock I can't imagine any other option being as effective. With hunting rifles, I still use other options effectively.
There is quite a difference between non-joystick models
1. Windage adjustment that is easily reachable from shooting position - sinclair comp, grizzly with cable(if it works for you). Not a whole lot slower than a stick.
2. windage adjustment you have to reach for or break position - grizzly with cable removed
3. no windage adjustment - many simple rests
1. Windage adjustment that is easily reachable from shooting position - sinclair comp, grizzly with cable(if it works for you). Not a whole lot slower than a stick.
2. windage adjustment you have to reach for or break position - grizzly with cable removed
3. no windage adjustment - many simple rests
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