Rail Guns at 600 yard BR

[Tim Singleton]

I'm kinda at a crossroads with things as they are.
BR & rail guns to my thinking are more engineering tests.
Aside from some fiddling with the front rest, the only human interaction with the gun is the trigger finger.

Not a challenge for shooter ability, as i see it.

You would just have to shoot one some to see how quickly you can shoot the biggest group you ever have
The shooter is far from removed from the equation

 

[BartsBullets]

Bart,
Respectfully, I do see a big difference. I don't own, have never fired a rail gun, however the idea seems to be to take all of the "shooter" out of the equation.
Having said that, I do agree that they have a place in this ultimate accuracy game that we all play (or would like to play this year). IMHO they would need to be in their own class.
Kent

Kent,

Have you ever shot or owned a true IBS Legal HG? Other than Being more of a PITA to set up They are just as much “point and click” as a rail gun. Hell many of the LGs track so well they go back to point of aim.

Bart

 

[std7mag]

You would just have to shoot one some to see how quickly you can shoot the biggest group you ever have
The shooter is far from removed from the equation

I think you meant to say smallest group.

My biggest groups are called patterns, and i use my CZ720 shotgun.

Also, "shooter is far removed" is just my point on the engineering exercise.

 

[Kurz]

Also, "shooter is far removed" is just my point on the engineering exercise.

When it comes to competition, humans will always push the envelope in an attempt to win, set records or just be better than someone else. It doesn't matter if it's land speed records, high altitude parachute jumping or shooting small groups at the bench.

Rail guns on the bench:

If the mechanics of this form of shooting competition don't interest you, obviously you can choose a form of competition which does suit your demeanor. Meanwhile those of us who like to experiment will continue onward and upward seeking new challenges, looking for improvements and that little bit of an edge which might see us winning using what we learned.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/01/unlimited-class-rail-guns-the-epitome-of-precision/

https://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek057.html

Pick your poison and dance with who you brung!

 

[Mulligan]

I have had a couple of calls and an email or two about this, apparently I did not articulate how we plan to run the rail-gun trial/test at Western Colorado Rifle and Silhouette Club this summer.

We will, host a separate contest with just rail guns at 600 yards.
The rail-guns will only be competing with other rail-guns. This will not have any influence on our LG or HG contests. It will be the same day and hopefully the same time so we can compare targets.
CW

 

[geo.ulrich]

I'm kinda at a crossroads with things as they are.
BR & rail guns to my thinking are more engineering tests.
Aside from some fiddling with the front rest, the only human interaction with the gun is the trigger finger.

Not a challenge for shooter ability, as i see it.

It should be easy enough for you whoop em then, show up and let us know how it works out....

 

[Stan Taylor]

(Let's git ready to Rock) I'm ready.
P.S. if you notice the bolt is on the correct side of the gun also.LOL

 

[geo.ulrich]

Damn don't tell me you've been practicing to Stan.....

 

[R.Morehouse]

That's about all we can do these days.....If you're lucky..

 

[Alex Wheeler]

The main thing holding people back in LR BR and F-class is tuning ability and condition reading. A rail gun wont change that. Still have to tune it, and still have to read the conditions. I think most people can actually shoot a lot better than they think, you will know if your breaking bad shots.

 

[Rat Rifle]

They are very interesting, but "definitely" a "separate " class.

There are heavy guns that are little different than rail guns, but they are still rifles. Then, one day or two day matches, cycling through all the relays and classes is a challenge as is. Ironically, there are folks on this thread that often take the wood shooting their light gun in heavy gun class

I am a rookie at this, and as I see it, jumping to another plateau of cost is not conducive to attracting new shooters. Not that there is any cheap way to do it

 

[CaptainMal]

Have seen rail-type guns shoot at long range. They seem to do best putting one shot after another in a close group but that group may not be close to the center fo the target. The used to try and use the on 1,000 yard steel but the movement required to get on a target and maybe a slight target movement posed problems.

Looks like it would be fun to see them used to hit a target center, even to get them sighted in. Then they have to be moved to a new target placement when necessary. It would be both an equipment game, tuning game and shooting ability in varied conditions. Using one might be a handicap but then again, fun to try.

 

[geo.ulrich]

I'm not understanding this. they are adjustable for verticle and windage the same as a bag gun. there adjustments are mechanical instead....

 

[243BR]

Kent,

Have you ever shot or owned a true IBS Legal HG? Other than Being more of a PITA to set up They are just as much “point and click” as a rail gun. Hell many of the LGs track so well they go back to point of aim.

Bart

Bart,
I own and shoot a gun that is to heavy to be a LG (27# as it is now) but have never had or shot a true HG. As I said I have no experience with a rail gun either.
Don't get me wrong, I am totally in favor of them competing, just in a distinct class. We certainly need more shooters. I know it would be a major pain for the person scoring, but it could be possible to have rail guns mixed in with the HG or even LG aggs. StL used to do that with factory guns.
Kent

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Another way to look at the unlimited class is its one more class to enter your LG in. Everyone is always saying they want to shoot more. I also would not look at it as a rail gun class, something totally different may prove out to be the ticket. Unlimited means just that and I have no doubt we would see some very interesting designs/ideas.

 

[tom]

Cool. You gonna do 5 shot or 10 shot groups for them?

Tom

 

[newbieshooter]

Another way to look at the unlimited class is its one more class to enter your LG in. Everyone is always saying they want to shoot more. I also would not look at it as a rail gun class, something totally different may prove out to be the ticket. Unlimited means just that and I have no doubt we would see some very interesting designs/ideas.

...and going the opposite direction....

I was thinking of bringing my LR LG rifle you (Alex) built for me - to a Short Range (SR) unlimited match. I don't shoot SR - just figured this is another way to get out and shoot and see what it/I can do...

 

[geo.ulrich]

Cool. You gonna do 5 shot or 10 shot groups for them?

Tom

Why not both, let the hosting club or org. pick. they have both in s.r.

 

[Mulligan]

The main thing holding people back in LR BR and F-class is tuning ability and condition reading. A rail gun wont change that. Still have to tune it, and still have to read the conditions. I think most people can actually shoot a lot better than they think, you will know if your breaking bad shots.

Cool. You gonna do 5 shot or 10 shot groups for them?

Tom

Tom, with some of you folks shooting itty bitty teeny weeny groups at 600 with a LG, how would we ever know if there were 10 shoots or not. Heck, I'm not sure we can sort out 5 shot groups the way some folks stack 'em in there.

We will shot 5 shot groups to start and go from there.
CW

 

[Mulligan]

Another way to look at the unlimited class is its one more class to enter your LG in. Everyone is always saying they want to shoot more. I also would not look at it as a rail gun class, something totally different may prove out to be the ticket. Unlimited means just that and I have no doubt we would see some very interesting designs/ideas.

I agree, Unlimited..... let the shooters get creative.
CW