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Keeping track of brass - number of times fired

I've been reloading for a number of year now, primarily brass that I have collected from new ammunition that I have shot (same manufacturer).

I have become better at keeping once fired from twice but after the third firing I have found that i'm losing track.

With a new rifle on the way I have purchased some Lapua brass and with the additional outlay I would really like to maximise it's potential and get this aspect right.

What systems have you guys come up with? Perhaps it doesn't actually matter as long as each case has been fired the once and each is inspected and in good condition.

One of the mistakes that I may be making is having too much brass. I have 300 Lapua here but in reality I am unlikely to ever need more than 100 on any given day.
Should I just leave the 100 cases in the same ammunition box all the time and keep the record on the box?

So many questions!
 
i run 200 pcs of brass in each of my guns. I keep 5 - 50 round ammo boxes for each gun. As I deprime (size) the case, I add anther time fired mark on the top of my ammo box. The reason I dont make a mark when I load it is that some times I resize it and prime it, and don't load it.
When I get to 10 firings, I replace the sticker I use to mark it, and place an "X" for TEN, and start my marks all over.
As long as I keep all 12 times fired brass together, it doesn't matter which case it goes in as they are all fired in the same chamber.
The pic below show the brass on 2 cases fired 12 times, and the brass in the third case fired 13 times. When I go to the bench, I take the 12 fired brass and shot it first.

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I just use clearly marked containers but I don’t shoot very many rounds per session. Labels and two containers will work if you refrain from loading any of your once fired brass until all your new brass on hand is exhausted (as an example). I’m sure there are better systems but simple works for me.
 
I've used a combo of excel spreadsheet and paper, on the paper I log it first and latter put into excel, funny thing is if saw one of my paper sheets you'd know exactly how I felt and how I shot that string, I go back sometime and just read what I wrote and laugh! I'm pretty hard on myself.
 
I use 2 fishing tackle clear storage. The sections can be changed in size to accommodate.
I put labeles with dates and# of firing. 200 cases fit easily.
Start with one full, after fired they go to 2nd box, dated etc. When that box gets full (other empty) I start over, fired rounds goes to back to 1st box.
 
i run 200 pcs of brass in each of my guns.
That wouldn't work for a colony varmint shooter, but the same approach applies. Keep things grouped (I call them batches) together, and keep a log of "everything" about them. Then I keep a master summary in MS Word, so I know the history and the label with the brass lists key elements.

This is just part of the brass I fired on my month long prairie dog hunt each year.
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Good Lord, save me from falling into this OCD trap!!

I guess if I was a bench-rest competitor, (any type) I would do something like the posts above. I do like having some A+ organized brass to develop loads and check groups with, but 90% of my ammo is burned shooting ground squirrels, and they don't know if they were killed with a .2" group, or a 1" group.

It doesn't take long for me to just say ah screw it and mix them all up. jd
 
I keep all my brass separated in MTM 100 count boxes for a match. All the brass in that particular box stays in that particular box. I do not keep track of how many times they are fired>>>WHY? If the brass is properly prepped and annealed, trimmed etc..etc.. you will know when it has lost it's "shelf life" so to speak. Primer pockets may get loose or whatever the issue is and you will know when to replace the brass. Aside from that, I don't keep track of how many times they are fired because if they are good and have no issues, what does it matter how many times they are fired?
 
what does it matter how many times they are fired?

I use "times fired" as a guide to the shot count on my barrels. I don't keep exact round counts on my barrels. When all my boxes say 10x fired, I have approx. 2000 rounds down the tube, when I hit 20x fired, it's 4000 rounds, and I usually retire my barrels (on my 30br) at the end of a season closest to 4000 rounds.
 
I have been a competitive service rifle shooter for 37 years, and I have always kept track of the number of times my cases have been fired. I use MTM 50 round case boxes, and when I put 50 freshly prepared once fired cases into the box, they stay with the box until the cases are retired.

In side the top of the box I attach a Sierra load label. The top line shows the date the cases went into service. During the winter I painstakingly reload my match rounds for the upcoming season. The box I reloaded this morning went into service on February , 1992.

The second line lists the caliber of the round. I mainly shoot .223 Rem/5.56 mm.

The third line lists the maker of the case. I mainly use FC or LC cases that I have fully prepped by full length resizing, demurring the flash hole, removing the crimp (if any), reaming the primer pocket to a standard depth and trimming to length.

Fourth line lists the type of primer used. I standardized on Federal 205M primers many years ago.

Line 5 lists the powder and weight of the charge. For short range work, I standardized on 22.4 grains of AA2015.

The 6th line lists the bullet. Again, for short range work (200-300 yards) I go through a lot of Sierra 69 grain HPBTs.

I do not use the 7th line which lists sight settings. Using standardized ammunition the way I do, I put the sight settings and conditions into my dope book.

Finally, at the bottom, Sierra has two lines for “Remarks”. Here I write “Reloads” and use simple hash marks to count the number of times that batch of cases have been reloaded. Also, I put a small circle above the hash mark when a case has been trimmed to length before a loading.

Using this data I keep track of the number of times the case has been fired and trimmed. When a box of cases reaches 12 match reloads, I will move the box and cases into the practice ammunition category, and continue to fire the cases in practice until the end of the cases life.

Using this method I know when to retire a box of cases from competition, and when it is time to retire the cases altogether.

Respectfully submitted,

Mouse-Gunner
 
I just keep on with my brass until the primer pockets get loose or the necks start to split. Unless you consistently abuse your brass the pockets will give out first and you'll notice this when seating a new primer, when I come across a loose fit I mark it for recycle at that time. My brass gets cleaned every time and annealed every fourth reload.
 
Each rifle has a set of dedicated cases housed in MTM 20 round case boxes. Usually 50 cases (three boxes 20 - 20 - 10). The 20 round boxes work best for me since I'm primarily a varmint / predator hunter and it's easier to transport my ammo in these more compact boxes. I do spend a lot of time at the range but normally only shoot 12 to 15 rounds per range session allowing the barrel to cool between shots so the smaller boxes also work well for me at the range also.

Each box has a label as illustrated below:

223 Rem 700 Box 1
Load: 25.0 - H4895 - 50Nosler - F205M - 2.285
Powder Lot: 10 Case: Rem
Reloads: 8 Trimmed: 5 x 2*

* the first number denotes the last reload I trimmed the case, i.e. after 5 reloads and the second number indicates the number of times I trimmed this box of cases i.e 2 times.

Each time I reload and / or trim I change the respective number (s).
 
I keep all my brass separated in MTM 100 count boxes for a match. All the brass in that particular box stays in that particular box. I do not keep track of how many times they are fired

I can see your point, but nevertheless keep track of firings, in my case brass kept together in MTM 50 round boxes throughout its life and a five bar gate method of counting / marking the label used. (This can cause some confusion when people peer over my shoulder on the range and see loadings marked as III on the label reading it as one hundred and eleven, not three as actually applies.)

As I anneal cases after x number of firings, this system tells me when it's due, the last time done marked on the label too. Knowing roughly what brass life is going to be in terms of x number of firings, this system also gives advance warning of the need to buy / prep more without finding that existing cases have 'gone off' in a minor match held a week before an important one.

In the early days of F/TR most UK GB-League competitors automatically tossed 308 Win large primer brass after three to six loading/firing cycles as that was when primer pockets loosened, the exact figure depending on just how much an individual's loads abused pressure limits. It was better to throw them a bit early rather than find a few in a box were loose on repriming and having to start again having wasted time and effort in cleaning / sizing / trimming. Since SRP Palma brass appeared, case-heads usually last a long time, but people now anneal so still like to know. When I ran really hot 223 Rem loads with 90s, I automatically relegated Lapua brass to my other rifle / lighter loads for short-distance club matches after three or four loadings.

Everyone to their own methods as always. What works for one person is OTT / unnecessary for another and vice-versa.
 
I live by the "keep it simple stupid" mantra. I made up a label that lists caliber and times fired, then has a check list for each reloading function (cleaned, deprimed, sized, trimmed, etc) where I record the date as that function is completed. The list and the "in process" brass go into a one-gallon zip lock bag, the and bag(s) go into a labeled (by caliber) plastic storage box. Once primed (there is a place on my list to indicate primer and date), they go into a different caliber labeled storage box with a record of the quantity and times fired kept on a list on my phone. When I load I transfer info on the brass to a reloading label (that I created) that also records load data which is also in my load data book.

Well maybe this isn't so simple but it works for me...
 
I number the primer boxes that are dedicated to that barrel. For example, if I have box number 4, that's 400 primers and I can subtract the remaining primers in the box and the number of loaded rounds and determine exactly how many rounds that have been fired through that barrel. I then divide that number of pieces of brass for that barrel and I know the number of times fired on the brass. No extra record keeping required. Simple as dirt and works very well.
 
I've been reloading for a number of year now, primarily brass that I have collected from new ammunition that I have shot (same manufacturer).

I have become better at keeping once fired from twice but after the third firing I have found that i'm losing track.

With a new rifle on the way I have purchased some Lapua brass and with the additional outlay I would really like to maximise it's potential and get this aspect right.

What systems have you guys come up with? Perhaps it doesn't actually matter as long as each case has been fired the once and each is inspected and in good condition.

One of the mistakes that I may be making is having too much brass. I have 300 Lapua here but in reality I am unlikely to ever need more than 100 on any given day.
Should I just leave the 100 cases in the same ammunition box all the time and keep the record on the box?

So many questions!

I keep a paper brass log with each batch of brass that I use, which has the details of the preparation after each firing.

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PS: Attaching a Case Prep Log template for anyone who'd like to have it:
 

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Buy 500 bullets and mark the box with a 1 and the next with a 2. It cracks me up when I see a gun for sale that comes with 300 pieces of 4 times fired brass but the barrel has only 500-600 rounds on it?
 
Storing brass and keeping track of how many times it has been fired isn't rocket science. You can use almost any kind of container you like; I prefer plastic food storage containers. They're inexpensive, they come in a wide range of sizes, and they're stackable. The image below is brass storage for one of my .308s.

1) The brass in the container on the left is ready to load. Note that some of it has already been sorted into specific weight groups, which go into labeled Ziplock bags within the food container for that specific brass prep/Lot#. The piece of masking tape with writing in black Sharpie on the box lid contains the date the brass prep was finished (i.e. "Ready to Load"), the specific rifle it is for, the specific Lot#, and the number of firings it has undergone.

2) The brass in the container on the right has been fired and decapped. Each time I reload a batch of ammo using that brass, the lid of the ammo box gets labeled with another piece of masking tape that contains the date, the specific rifle it is for, the Brass Prep # and the number of times it has been fired (which are always one number higher than those two numbers on the "ready to Load" container the brass came from), the Lot#, and a brief description of the loaded ammo. That way, I can always find all the specific information and details about that batch of ammo recorded in my reloading book for that specific rifle. After the ammo has been fired and decapped, the cases go into the "fired" brass container, and the label from the top of the ammo box goes on the lid of the fired brass container. That way, I always know exactly what brass is in it (i.e. how many firings, how many pieces, etc.).

When all of a specific brass prep has been fired and the decapped brass transferred to the 2nd container, I can start another brass prep whenever I feel like it. Within reason, I typically try to carry out a single step on all of the brass in a given Prep# before moving on to the next step. In other words, all pieces of brass get cleaned before primer pockets are checked; all primer pockets are checked before any cases are annealed, all cases are annealed before any are re-sized, etc. As each step in the process is completed, I add that to the label>>>i.e. decapped, cleaned, primer pockets uniformed, annealed, etc. That way I always know exactly what step of the process the brass is on by a quick glance at the label, because I generally complete a full prep of 300+ pieces over two to three days.

As I noted, this stuff isn't rocket science. There are a variety of methods that will work equally well, as long as you can write down a suitably descriptive label and date so you know what's in it. The labels I described for the brass containers, as well as the ones that get switched over from the ammo boxes once the loaded rounds have been fired literally take a minute (or less) to fill out. There's no good reason for not properly labeling brass containers so that you exactly what is in it, what rifle it's for, how many times it's been fired, and when it was prepped. Even if you're starting with mixed-Lot# brass from commercial ammunition, you can easily keep track of it in terms of the number of firings as though it all came from a single Lot#.

As mentioned, I like the food containers because they're dirt cheap and come in various sizes suitable for a wide range of different cartridges and/or quantities of brass. I typically use the small rectangular ones that are about 3"x4"x6" for 100 0.223 Rem cases. The ones that are about sandwich size hold a few more, so on and so forth, up to the containers shown in the image that are approximately 3"x10"x14", which will hold up to ~500 .308 cases. I like to prep at least 300 pcs of brass for each of my competition rifles, so I don't have to prep brass every single time I shoot. I'd much rather prep a batch of 300 or 400 cases all at once every few months or so, than prep 75 cases every single time I shoot a given rifle. But that's just me; either way will work. The key is to label what you have fanatically - that way you always know what it is. Over time, the process of labeling becomes second nature so you don't even think about it any longer, and you never end up looking at a box of spent brass think, "Hmmm...I wonder what this stuff is?"


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