The shop where I used to work does Remington factory repair work. We do over 1,000 repairs annually but certainly not all on 700's. In the last 5 years I cannot remember a single 700 being returned for not enough primary extraction. While there is almost .100 available if everything is set up perfectly, you don't need .100 of primary extraction, if you do then you have one of the worst chambers ever installed. My Barnard for instance, has only .045 primary extraction and it has never failed to extract a case. As Dusty said, you can pull a Remington bolt back and clear the locking lugs without hitting the primary extraction cam. If extracting a fired case the bolt does not come back when it clears the locking lugs, it will continue closed on the case until it hits the primary extraction and then start to extract the case. Flame away if you like but I cannot get onto the "bash the Remingtons" bandwagon just because everything isn't set perfect.
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Dusty Stevens
Shiner
If the raceway is reamed, and the bolt body is the correct diameter, and the lug abutments are trued then itll be a sure thing. Without doing all the other things nothing falls into place
garandman
Bolt Gun Bodacious
I'm 2 for 2 with g-t-g factory Rem 700 bolts & actions.
Never had any issues with the numerous Remington Model 700’s I have owned. The improvements described in this article will be interesting to watch.
https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2019/6/13/hardware-remington-model-700-american-hunter
https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2019/6/13/hardware-remington-model-700-american-hunter
jonbearman
I live in new york state,how unfortunate !
Just for giggles , it is grease all over the bolt and the front ring on the bolt or are they that badly machined. I have looked at dozens of the latest CNC machined Remington's and none looked like that. If it is grease no biggie but just curious. I have owned older Rem 700's and much newer ones and only one had lousy extraction but still usable. I realize there is no comparison between a panda or the like between Remington stock receivers with no truing.
What’s your problem with that?
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
its grease. Sorry i didnt wipe that off
It's ugly
yeah that is open to interpretation.... not like hobgoblin is batted about in everyday usage. whats with the guy the plate, bowl and uh, no dinner?
I don't know what this quote means either... tho the fact your post reminded me of it is a scary look into my mind ....
not trying to be a smart**s.
Just appreciate the info.
heck, I may know not - what I know not ( not the 1st time).
My rifles all shuck brass upon pulling the bolt and - send it out.
think I have 6 Rem 700's?
interesting to read + learn...as always.
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urbanrifleman
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Apparently this all started because I said the Buds Guns 40x SINGLE SHOT (the one with the sight holes like a 40x) is better than a Walmart take apart.
I stand by my assertion.
Dusty is convinced they are all the same and come off "the same machine". Which is fine, maybe they do, neither one of us work at Remington, so his assumption is fine with me. This thread, I'm not sure the function or why I was tagged, the whole thing seems kind of talking about bolt handles not actions.
All in all, a 350 dollar action is not equal to a 1500 dollar custom action. Someone call the Wall Street Journal... we got a hot story.
Ledd Slinger
Silver $$ Contributor
Correct, but if you want it to shoot and function with similar consistency and accuracy as a custom action (as most people do when they use a 700 action for a rifle project) then you wont be far off from the time and money it would have taken to get a custom action in the first place.
Takes time and money for a gunsmith to tune, time, and true a 700. Might be $800-$900 into the cost of the action and all the work and it's still not as stout nor will it have as good of an ignition system as a custom.
But for just a straight factory action left the way they are, they are generally pretty good. If I received a new 700 action with faulty extraction timing, you wouldn't find me spending the time or money to fix it. That action would be in the mailbox the next day headed back to the vendor for a replacement.
urbanrifleman
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Right. But let's be clear, that is simply a matter of reattaching the bolt handle, it has nothing to with the action tolerances. I've owned custom built rifles where the smith attached the bolt handle wrong. Doesn't make the action a piece of junk.
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A CNC machine does not "magically" produce correct parts! Its only as good as the operator running it..............And there is a lack of skilled machinists out in the work force.
A CNC machine does not "magically" produce correct parts! Its only as good as the operator running it..............And there is a lack of skilled machinists out in the work force.
Ledd Slinger
Silver $$ Contributor
Action tolerances???
So on top of bolt handle extraction timing:
The tenon threads are usually out of whack and need to be chased, receiver face is never square, the trigger timing is always off, poorly machined factory recoil lug needs to be replaced, firing pin raceway contacts the pin and creates inconsistent drag, the firing pin spring is poor quality and should be replaced for faster lock time, the bolt lugs almost never have more than 50% contact on the abutments, etc...
I never said the 700 was a piece of junk, nor did I say they cant make a good base for a very accurate rifle, BUT there is a LOT of room for improvement. Improvements to get it right take time and money
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Not only do you have to have skilled workers, but the workers have to give a sh@@ about what they are doing.
Someone pointed out above that a chip in a CNC fixture will result in substandard product output. Who’s responsibility is it to find that chip? Clue, not the accountants.
Understood, but isn't it programmed to make the same part to the same dimensions over and over?
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