I've got a part time neighbor that swore that he could drop any elk out to 500 yards with his .300 short mag from a standing position - he hasn't made that brag since last season, he failed to hit his bull at 350 yards, then again at 280 yards, and finally made his kill at 240 yards from a prone position, rested on his pack. This is the same guy that was convinced that he was going to carry his elk out - whole, by himself, after all, he'd taken lots of elk in Washington state and always carried them out by himself.
Most People Are Fooling Themselves.....
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Haha, I tell to them grab a few sheets of printer paper. Cheap. Some guys carry their own pins or nails, don't own a staple gun either.
Of coarse I don't think like others, but have yet to figure out what shooting a group at 100 yards tells me. I do zero at 100 and occasionally will shoot a 3 shot group to verify if my zero is off.
I believe it's best to remind hunters that we don't have to hunt. We can buy meat at a store.
That for most of us, our endeavor is not about that.
Among the abstracts in reason for hunting is the challenge of success with it, -which is relative.
It's a minor challenge to hit a groundhog at 600 with a custom in 6BR off a bipod. It's a major challenge to hit a Pennsylvania crow at 100 with a custom air rifle and difficult resting. Both spending a good amount of(as much) money. But if I spend less, put in less efforts, my challenge to succeed would still be there. I can still hunt,, just closer.
The point being; it's ok to know and accept our limitations, with discipline.
I can't shoot a factory gun with factory ammo and cheap scope any better than you can. And my heart would beat harder, and I would enjoy dropping a deer at 200 or less, with limited equipment, just like you.
That's hunting.
I would not enjoy shooting 400 to game, while knowing my capabilities are limited to 200 (regardless of outcome). That's not what this endeavor is about.
I don't need the meat. I'm not there to get lucky. I'm there to succeed, given set limitations.
There are high tech, lethal, slingshots available now. And there is potential to call in turkeys and take them with such a weapon. Mention this the next time someone wants stupid distances from an under-capable system. If they're not at least interested in the concept -they are not hunters to begin with.
That for most of us, our endeavor is not about that.
Among the abstracts in reason for hunting is the challenge of success with it, -which is relative.
It's a minor challenge to hit a groundhog at 600 with a custom in 6BR off a bipod. It's a major challenge to hit a Pennsylvania crow at 100 with a custom air rifle and difficult resting. Both spending a good amount of(as much) money. But if I spend less, put in less efforts, my challenge to succeed would still be there. I can still hunt,, just closer.
The point being; it's ok to know and accept our limitations, with discipline.
I can't shoot a factory gun with factory ammo and cheap scope any better than you can. And my heart would beat harder, and I would enjoy dropping a deer at 200 or less, with limited equipment, just like you.
That's hunting.
I would not enjoy shooting 400 to game, while knowing my capabilities are limited to 200 (regardless of outcome). That's not what this endeavor is about.
I don't need the meat. I'm not there to get lucky. I'm there to succeed, given set limitations.
There are high tech, lethal, slingshots available now. And there is potential to call in turkeys and take them with such a weapon. Mention this the next time someone wants stupid distances from an under-capable system. If they're not at least interested in the concept -they are not hunters to begin with.
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Well, you could try slowly squeezing the trigger. That helps a lot of guys who are having trouble.
BoydAllen
Gold $$ Contributor
At the range, typically the missing component is a range officer who is actively supervising the firing line the whole time that the range is open. As far as the shooters and their equipment go, adult males, who have several years of untutored shooting under their belts are the most difficult to teach anything about shooting. They can be totally clueless, be fully aware that you get much better results than they ever have, and they will still argue with you about simple things. Every so often I run across one is so driven to improve that he will actually follow directions, and I am able to move him forward a long way in a short time, but even then the test is whether any of that sticks long term. Most of the time, three months later, they will be back to their old habits. Some people just have problems managing with a whole list of important details. One of the important things to determine early on, when you are attempting to work with someone, is whether they have that ability, because if they do not, you are wasting both of your time.
Well, you have a plan, you understand equipment limitations, also your own, plus the thought process is in motion.
Next time you are at a range, look around, differing levels of awareness.
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
I know what I can do with what I got, 1/2 pint milk cartons 100 yds I'm OK, 200 yds. go up to the pint,,really though 200yd. I'm darn good,,after that question mark,,
muleman69
USMC -1st marine Div. RVN
Thats funny as my friend showed up the morning we were to pack out in the mountains and wanted to sight in a rifle he had not shot in decades. He did bring some quality ammo though (box of core locks with sticker price of $7.69) I'm not kidding
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
MikeMcCasland
Team Texas F-T/R
It's awful where I shoot. I don't profess to be the best shooter out there; certainly not on these forums. That said, it's incredibly common to see 5-6" groups at 100 yards (hell sometimes 50), and then they'll take the rifle out to 200-300 to shoot there. It's gotten to the point that I'll even consider someone "good" at this range if they can hold a fist sized group at 100. This is also one of the more populous cities next to the heart of Texas deer country.
I'm not much of a deer hunter anymore personally (certainly have the opportunity; it's just cold, and I like beef better), but it's amazing these guys kill anything at all. If anything, it's a testament to just how easy it is to kill them, because you know shot placement isn't happening.
I guess you gotta start somewhere. None of us popped out of the womb shooting tight groups.
Edit: I certainly don't mind helping folks, but I will say my biggest pet peeve is when they ask you to shoot their rifle/loads to "see what another shooter can do". I'll begrudgingly do it, but in my head I'm screaming "Nobody can accurately shoot an unsupported factory rifle, with a 6lb trigger, using factory ammo, with a $200 scope (12 years ago); god knows what you've shoved down the barrel too.
I'm not much of a deer hunter anymore personally (certainly have the opportunity; it's just cold, and I like beef better), but it's amazing these guys kill anything at all. If anything, it's a testament to just how easy it is to kill them, because you know shot placement isn't happening.
I guess you gotta start somewhere. None of us popped out of the womb shooting tight groups.
Edit: I certainly don't mind helping folks, but I will say my biggest pet peeve is when they ask you to shoot their rifle/loads to "see what another shooter can do". I'll begrudgingly do it, but in my head I'm screaming "Nobody can accurately shoot an unsupported factory rifle, with a 6lb trigger, using factory ammo, with a $200 scope (12 years ago); god knows what you've shoved down the barrel too.
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Amen Sir....I am dealing with one now , set in his ways from law enforcement... I learned a lot from my law enforcement days many years ago but there's a difference in combat and target shooting especially with pistols that are more designed for combat than targets.. I would have given up awhile back but he actually wants to get better and is a friend so even if it takes alot longer than it should I will continue to work with him... Master one thing and move on , try and put the package together at the end...
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
you can shoot them at 25 yards in my back yard in Bsatrop County
Lol , you know all you need here is an ear of corn and a brick , then just stand in the yard with both..
pirate ammo
Guaranteed to take the wind out of their sails
you know it's bad, when the deer and the dog play with each other,,
MikeMcCasland
Team Texas F-T/R
hah, that's one option.
The other is to just get a handful of corn and a hammer.
Commere you! *thwap*
Edit: Wow beat, almost verbatim. hahahhah
linekin
Gold $$ Contributor
My son in law's friend started hunting with us for the 1st time in his life last year. (35) He missed a nice buck one afternoon & couldn't understand why, the outfitter he bought the package from had bore sighted it! An all to common problem I suspect.
Anyhow this year he asked that I sight it in for him as he's too busy. I said sure, but I won't give the rifle back until he comes to the range with me & fires the rifle himself. Let 'ya know what happens....
Bore sighted guns & "Buck Fever" lead to the meat dept. at the local Canna-ford!
Keith
Anyhow this year he asked that I sight it in for him as he's too busy. I said sure, but I won't give the rifle back until he comes to the range with me & fires the rifle himself. Let 'ya know what happens....
Bore sighted guns & "Buck Fever" lead to the meat dept. at the local Canna-ford!
Keith
KMart
Gold $$ Contributor
Those guys are all Beto supporters and only hunt free hunts on some corporate lease. If they bring home a deer, the guide most likely shot it for them. They were way to hungover to make the shot themselves.
Was at my range the other day and this guy shows up with a decked out ar and walmart paper plates, no joke. He sprayed a orange dot on the plates and stuck them up at 100 yard and couldnt hit.
Lets back up a bit, semi custom AR15 in 300 blackout, silencer on it, wearing an atn night scope with all the digital stuff, i swear the scope cost half what my fopen rig cost. He is shooting Remington sub sonic walmart rounds.
I had been shooting for a bit was down to only a few rounds left when he got there. I stuck around to watch him shoot all 20 rounds he brought.
After screwing around with this stupid over complicated scope thing he finally managed to barely hit the paper plate at 100 yard.
Made me feel a whole lot better about my sub 1" 200 yard 5 shot groups that i had been complaining about till he got there. I was having a bad day but he made me feel better lol
Lets back up a bit, semi custom AR15 in 300 blackout, silencer on it, wearing an atn night scope with all the digital stuff, i swear the scope cost half what my fopen rig cost. He is shooting Remington sub sonic walmart rounds.
I had been shooting for a bit was down to only a few rounds left when he got there. I stuck around to watch him shoot all 20 rounds he brought.
After screwing around with this stupid over complicated scope thing he finally managed to barely hit the paper plate at 100 yard.
Made me feel a whole lot better about my sub 1" 200 yard 5 shot groups that i had been complaining about till he got there. I was having a bad day but he made me feel better lol
I liken "venting" as a waste of energy that'd be more productively spent on actually helping someone. As a bonus, when you DO help someone, you get that positive energy sent right back to ya, by way of gratitude/appreciation. Win/win/win. You win, they win, and the world wins cuz there's one less ignorant shooter walking this Earth that the rest of us have to deal with...
Save for those who revel in a passing moment self-righteous superiority, while they belittle the 'ignorant masses' for a cheap laugh, what good does "venting" do? I mean, other than make y'all look like a bunch a wash women???
Save for those who revel in a passing moment self-righteous superiority, while they belittle the 'ignorant masses' for a cheap laugh, what good does "venting" do? I mean, other than make y'all look like a bunch a wash women???
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