Someoldguy
Nice. How many 'factory ' rifle matches have you won with that rifle? In other words, is it consistent, of was that a 'good day'?
I don't have any way of knowing, which is why I'm asking.
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Factory Rifle Accuracy
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Nice. How many 'factory ' rifle matches have you won with that rifle? In other words, is it consistent, of was that a 'good day'?
I don't have any way of knowing, which is why I'm asking.
Someoldguy
Well then, that's a fine example of a factory rifle that shoots better than I anticipated. Congrats!
I deleted the pic, and I'll surely end my lucky streak by telling, but I've won the last 6 in a row. I'm a rookie and I got dq'd for missing my relay in one of those.
Okay how about we talk about our factory guns that don't shoot good? How hard did you try to get it to shoot? I'm talking consistent 1.5 inch and larger 100yd groups. Any one?
You know I just dont get it. What you cant read English..I specifically stated not shooting agg's or competition ..Just taking you factory rifle out and tuning a handload what kind of accuracy do you get. I have had countless .270 win that would shoot three shots in a hole at 100 yards..Here is the key.. MOST OF THE TIME...NOT EVERY TIME. No where did anyone say one hole groups at 500 yards. Yes I have had factory heavy barreled varmint rifles that could shoot .350 aggs. at 100 yards. now that is not competitive in in short range benchrest.. And yea maybe get lucky and shoot .199 here or there but never consistent enough to shoot competition...That is why I said not counting AGG's or competition where extreme accuracy is need it or a 10 or 20 shot group is needed. I can tell you if you have a .270 win and it cant shoot a 3 shot group at 100 yards under 1" you have a bad one. I have owned quite a few and actually everyone I have owned would shoot under 1" with many different powders and bullets. I think the 130 NBT is one of the most accurate bullets lit with 55.0-56.0 IMR 4350 about .030 off touching...IF that is not under 1". You may have a bad scope or bad barrel.. The load I am shooting now with a 145 ELDX has been .750'' to 1.5'' at 200 yards.ONCE AGAIN MOST OF THE TIME...You can easily muff a shot with a rifle like that or have a condition change and now its 2" or 2.5" but anything bigger than that something broke. That load like a Rem 9 1/2 primer.
I swore I was going to have to put a barrel on my wife's 260.
Countless powders n bullets. Finally found a diet of Rl22 w/ 143eldx's. Yes it finally shoots an inch @ 300. But it took alot of work n time. Things I learned here really helped immensely.
Switched up to some 120's looking promising but still only shooting in the .6 range with them. Had to stop development did a full length size on all her brass." Mixed firings"
Now it's back to drawing board.
Do you feel better now?
Brians356
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Why? Follow your own advice for 5x5 and take as long as you wish to shoot each 10 shot group.
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The one constant for me and rifles with unacceptable accuracy with factory fodder is with rifles that start with an R, but don't end with an m.
As far as reloading I have a bad habit of being too devoted to the components I want to work. I fought two 700 mtn rifles last year to get constant groups better than MOA for that very reason. A simple powder change and both came around, and one went from being worrisome to shooting 5/8" cloverleafs repeatedly.
As far as reloading I have a bad habit of being too devoted to the components I want to work. I fought two 700 mtn rifles last year to get constant groups better than MOA for that very reason. A simple powder change and both came around, and one went from being worrisome to shooting 5/8" cloverleafs repeatedly.
I exaggerate, bad habit. I am starting to think I have a bad barrel then. Are you shooting BR style or what? I've done bipod, tripod, and as of today, from a bench using the rock front rest, and a make shift rear bag. Sure I could live on the small groups I've shot here and there but by and large I am shooting over an inch at about 120. Also I do have some NBT loaded up right now with 2 different powders and a .02 jump but today focused on vmax and 140vlds.
Another tip in loading and tuning light weight sporter barrel hunting rifles is they may not shoot well when its 85 deg F out the thin barrels and most rifles struggle for accuracy in hot humid weather and a big case like a 270 30/06
7 mag are going to tune and shoot better at 60 degF and below like I had one .270 at 30 deg F actually shot three in one hole and a fews guys seen that target said I bet you cant do that again. well a few miles down the road I guy had a bench set up in his yard so they let me shoot there and sure enough I did it again..Maybe like a half bullet hole bigger. so they said they were going up to see this other guy on this farm 10 miles up the road and sure enough I did it again at his place...That was a Browning A bolt medallion..Old one, this was long ago. 130 NBT. rem 9 1/2 primer. 55.8gr IMR 4350 have it wrote down in my loading manual. At 3.340 OAL. now in hot weather it was around 1". I shot a doe that year at 750 yards across the hill and they did not think I could hit it either.
7 mag are going to tune and shoot better at 60 degF and below like I had one .270 at 30 deg F actually shot three in one hole and a fews guys seen that target said I bet you cant do that again. well a few miles down the road I guy had a bench set up in his yard so they let me shoot there and sure enough I did it again..Maybe like a half bullet hole bigger. so they said they were going up to see this other guy on this farm 10 miles up the road and sure enough I did it again at his place...That was a Browning A bolt medallion..Old one, this was long ago. 130 NBT. rem 9 1/2 primer. 55.8gr IMR 4350 have it wrote down in my loading manual. At 3.340 OAL. now in hot weather it was around 1". I shot a doe that year at 750 yards across the hill and they did not think I could hit it either.
I normally shoot off a front rest that I change my bag in it for a sporter. small bag..I have like 5-6 rear bags with heavy sand in them. some small some large...I have one with the double thick bottom and use a donut bag under it most of the time. some times I try a different rear bag..I would say most .270 win will shoot IMR4350 quite well with a 130 or a 150. now 140 I dont know too much about ..I have tried a few newer powder because IMR4350 is not temp stable although it shoots well. Rem 91/2 primers have always shot tighter groups, I dont know why. I am using some old win brass CCI BR2 primer 145 ELDX like .060 off some bullets like to jump actually .090 off is a good place. I am shooting RL23 59.0 Grs just over 3,000 FPS and I have never shot it at 100 yards I have only shot that load at 200.. 200 is where I tune all my rifles now days. The reason for that is I have had some one hole groups at 100 yards that proved not to shoot well at further ranges. so I found if I can get a good tune at 200 yards I dont care if it is a 1.5'' at 100 for what I do..As we hunt in hilly country and not being able to shoot 5-600 yards across the hill kind of handicaps ya.
Prose
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My neighbor has a thompson compass 7mm-08. Factory core-locts shoot about 1" @100 with a Leupold 3x9. I helped him develop a load for it and it put 7 shots inside about .400 yesterday. 139 SST's pushed by H4350.
Kinda beside myself as it shoots right there with really nice and expensive rifles. With the coupon it cost him $212 dollars. He's got a couple of them and it really makes you wonder.
Kinda beside myself as it shoots right there with really nice and expensive rifles. With the coupon it cost him $212 dollars. He's got a couple of them and it really makes you wonder.
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well I would try a different scope first. maybe give that barrel a good cleaning. If you have access to IMR4350 I would try it. I also have had kind of good luck setting my bullet depth at the 3.340 OAL It does not always work but has worked fine on a few I never even checked that jam length due to it shot well right there. H4831 shoots good in the 270 but I think IMR4350 always out shot it. I tried RL17 and it wasn't bad but RL23 seemed better to me. Berger 150 HVLD's have shot well about .030 off..Some times you can try like .060 off and if its better go more off. Some shoot well right at .010 off but the ELDX I really did not get them to shoot well till about .040 off. so some bullets like to jump. some like jam. I hope you get it shooting. I looked at them rifles and actually thought about buying one I heard they shot well.. I guess the main thing on a rifle like this is your follow through has to be perfect. In other words you need to keep the cross hair on target, your eye open while the rifle recoils ..You have to control that. so you have to maintain the cross hair on target through the shot. In other words you need to see the bullet hit...lol....That is the key. You must have a good follow through. It is not going to ride the bags free recoil. you are going to have to muscle up and control it though the shot or it is going to be off.. This is funny I have a Kimber Hunter 280AI..162 at 3,050 FPS(so its a 7mag) it weighs 7lbs scoped and recoils like you were hit by a truck and violent muzzle jump. I wedged my self into a pick up truck tail gate. had about a 4" rock at 600 yards. so I dialed it up. I made sure of my follow through I wanted to see the bullet hit..Well it bounced me off and slammed me into the tailgate, I seen the impact a few sec after it hit. I missed it by two inches. But yea it hurt me. I did not shoot any more that day.
LOL yes that is the place for sure. I was thinking that as a last straw with this gun I should get some one else to shoot this sucker. It wouldn't surprise me if it's my shooting but if that's the case, boy have I been wasting time with load development! Edit: forgot to say... where do you shoot? I could make a trip here soon. Got to hit the road on the 14th so could do the weekend before maybe or towards end of month.
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lol. I have tried RL22, H4831sc, IMR4350, Accurate 4350 and 110gr vmax and 140berger vlds are the bullets I've primarily shot a lot but also have shot sierra 135 match. I have several other bullets, some loaded and ready to go for load development. Something just aint working for me though. My shooting or the barrel. I've shot .285 groups and some good ones but primarily it ends up about 1.3 inches with anything I try. I have a weaver t36 on it now that I think is great, before that I have the 2nd best of my cheaper scopes on it.
270WinDude have you tried a rem 9 1/2 primer ? try them...I try not to shoot them but they do shoot good.
That 140 should shoot. I would try .010 off...3.340 OAL...then .060 off and if you of them shoots better then try like .010 in or out from there and see if its just depth sensitive. How much IMR 4350 have you used? what brad Brass?
That 140 should shoot. I would try .010 off...3.340 OAL...then .060 off and if you of them shoots better then try like .010 in or out from there and see if its just depth sensitive. How much IMR 4350 have you used? what brad Brass?
I shoot at Josephine county sportsmans park. About 2 miles from my house.
I loading 130 nosler bt with rl17 at the moment printed a .7 on Friday with it.
Questions.
Action screws ring n mount screws tight?
What's trigger pull weight?
Barrel floated? Action bedded?
Are you stuck loading to mag length?
It pays to check these things regularly.
Just questions that I ask myself is all.
Which reminds me I have to release the factory preasure point on wife's rifle.
DAMN it all, I knew I was forgetting something bout her rifle.
I loading 130 nosler bt with rl17 at the moment printed a .7 on Friday with it.
Questions.
Action screws ring n mount screws tight?
What's trigger pull weight?
Barrel floated? Action bedded?
Are you stuck loading to mag length?
It pays to check these things regularly.
Just questions that I ask myself is all.
Which reminds me I have to release the factory preasure point on wife's rifle.
DAMN it all, I knew I was forgetting something bout her rifle.
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