Range rule and competion match rule question

[NDAR15MAN]

i Have only seen the very end of a local shooting match but am thinking about entering one some time. Question. ..... when shooting a competition match are you allowed to load more then one shell in your rifle or do you Must load one shell at a time in your rifle , shoot and put another shell in gun by hand ?
I have both a AR10 rifle and bolt guns and was wondering what rules are on this for competition matches. At my local range there is no mention of only allowing 1 shell in gun before shooting another but was wondering what shooter needs to do in a match to follow rules. It could be a safety rule.
I might be in the wrong by loading 5 rounds in magazine in my AR10 at local range when just shooting targets ?
Question 2 ......How would I obtain a rule book for BR shooting matches , class F match Shooting matches and rim fire ( 22lr) matches. Thanks. Marty

 

[kzin]

http://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/2018-hpr-book.pdf

f-class rules are part of high power. chapter 22 is f-class specific but all other rules apply also.

Must single load. The 'bobsled' is the easy way to single load an ar15, I think they make them for ar10 too.

Local matches that aren't registered may or may not waive the single load rule.

 

[Monte F]

http://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/2018-hpr-book.pdf

f-class rules are part of high power. chapter 22 is f-class specific but all other rules apply also.

Must single load. The 'bobsled' is the easy way to single load an ar15, I think they make them for ar10 too.

Local matches that aren't registered may or may not waive the single load rule.

In AR Tactical Prone, sleds or reduced capacity magazines are not permitted. Must still single load (slow fire) at most matches I am aware of.

 

[NDAR15MAN]

Thanks for the info guys and link to copy of rules. I will Print out the info you sent me. I might call NRA and buy a book too. Thanks Again. Marty

 

[Albany Mountain]

Thanks for the info guys and link to copy of rules. I will Print out the info you sent me. I might call NRA and buy a book too. Thanks Again. Marty

Books are probably not available in this digital age. I copy the pdf onto my smart phone and have it available at all times. The digital pdf also allows searching for specific issues, like single loading, which states:

10.1.6 Loading in Slow Fire—In all slow fire events, the rifle will be
loaded with only one cartridge at a time. The cartridge shall be inserted in
the magazine or chamber only when the rifle is pointed down range. Resting a
loaded rifle on a shooting stool or on the foot, is prohibited. (See Rule 10.1.3).

 

[kzin]

In AR Tactical Prone, sleds or reduced capacity magazines are not permitted. Must still single load (slow fire) at most matches I am aware of.

good point.
OP has been talking about adjustable rests for weeks so I assumed shooting an AR in f-class.

OP - what I linked is f-class which is not necessarily the same as bench. I was surprised a few weeks ago when the guy beside me at our local score bench match(with prone option) was semi rapid firing from a mag. I had just assumed it was illegal.

At our local mini-palma we explicitly allow mags but ban rapid fire.

For unsanctioned matches and range rules there is just nothing to do but specifically ask.

 

[Ned Ludd]

In AR Tactical Prone, sleds or reduced capacity magazines are not permitted. Must still single load (slow fire) at most matches I am aware of.

I'm curious about this. In the 2018 NRA Highpower Rules under Section 3.3.3 NRA Mid-Range (Prone) Tactical Rifle (AR), Section (g) states:

Magazine – Standard 10-, 20-, or 30- round magazines must be used. Reduced capacity magazines and “sleds” are prohibited. Magazine may not be used for support and may not touch the ground during firing or recoil. See Rule 5.2.

However, this Section of the 2018 NRA Highpower Rulebook also emphasizes this is conceptually an extension of Service Rifle category and states:

Note: Most rules necessary for the integration of this rifle into existing competition are already in existence and remain the same.

I find this curious because the Equipment and Ammunition Section 3.1 (c) regarding AR15 Service Rifle magazine requirements states:

A 10- round magazine with the extra external dimensions as a standard service 20-round box magazine may be used. A dummy magazine with a ramp for single shot loading may be used if this magazine has the same external dimensions as the standard service 20-round box magazine.


It seems to me that these are contradictory statements. Essentially, a Bobsled is nothing more than a dummy magazine for single shot loading (http://www.originalbobsled.com/ARSleds.aspx). Depending on the brand/style of magazine someone uses in their AR-style rifle, they may or may not be able to single feed by dropping a round on top of it. Some mags will allow this, others won't feed reliably, if at all. Using a mag follower that allows for single feeding seems to be almost an essential component if one wants to participate in this class of shooting.

What gives?

 

[kzin]

I think the idea is to prevent above-mag-length loads as something shooters in this class shouldn't be bothering with. But that is not stated directly and it's a bit silly that you can use an AR10 chambered for 6 cm but can't use 223 with 90s.

I think this class is a great addition but the details aren't perfect.

The way I read the rules is the only legal way to shoot is -
1 round in 10+ round mag
mag in gun
fire
drop mag
repeat

I shoot my 22lr AR this way most of the time and it doesn't bother me.
I get the idea that many people find it unacceptable and will mutiny before complying.

 

[Monte F]

I and my fellow competitors at our match (having one tomorrow), single load into the chamber with a standard magazine in place. We load long, have to use your little finger to get the round started into the chamber. The rule does not specify that the round has to fit/feed from the magazine, only that it has to be full size and no sleds. It is easier on my R-25 in .243 than the guys using an AR-15 in .223. I will still be using my 12X scope for now as my other scopes are over 15X or only 9X max.

 

[kzin]

I don't think that putting a mag in the well and single loading past it constitutes 'using' the mag. I think using a mag means the rounds go through it.


Standard 10-, 20-, or 30- round magazines must be used.
Reduced capacity magazines and “sleds” are prohibited.

 

[Ned Ludd]

The rules say nothing whatsoever about loading or actually feeding a round from the mag. Only that it must be in place and is considered part of the weight of the rifle. I'm pretty sure that if rounds had to actually be fed from the mag, it would be stated directly in the rules. I strongly doubt anyone at the NRA that worked on these rules expected competitors to drop their mag, load a single round, and re-install it every time they shoot during a match. That would be the most idiotic way to shoot in a match I've ever heard of and is why not being allowed to use a mag follower in the Tactical AR division, but allowed to use one in service rifle seems completely contradictory.

 

[kzin]

It does not say that a mag must be in place. It says it must be USED. Whether that means in place or that the rounds must go through it is an open question. I'm not using a mag as a mag if I'm single loading rounds, especially if the rounds won't fit in it.

It is stated clearly and redundantly that the guiding principle is TACTICAL equipment and technique. Specifically target sport techniques and gear are to be prohibited.

Is a military DM or a police sniper going to carry semi-automatic rifle with a 30 round mag but then single load over-length rounds but then not use a small, simple piece of equipment to make it more convenient?

Much more likely they're only going to shoot out of the mag so that's the rule in the sport.

Of course if that's the basis then they really should make an exception to the single load rule to allow loading at least 5 or 10 rounds in tactical.

 

[kzin]

Really, what would you think using a mag meant in other contexts?

Me at new range - Can I use a mag?
RSO - Yes.
Me - loads 10 rounds
RSO - Stop! You can put the mag in the gun but you have to load each round into the chamber manually.
Me - WTF!!! That is NOT using the mag!