Terrible Day Shooting

[hoz53]

I found an article stating Hornady has already downloaded their ammo 3 times because primer pockets were blowing out and being stretched. I was searching for Creedmoor dimensions and the article came up. It said they first loaded at 60,000 PSI then dropped to 59,000 and then down to 58,000. It is funny nobody has talked about it. Matt

wow thanks for that info. i have not heard that either and from little i know i thought the prs crowd really liked the hornady 6.5 creed ammo. mabie hornady is/was trying to get to much out of the cartridge.

 

[johnfred1965]

if the guy has a rifle that factory loads wont chamber in he has more basic problems then worrying about the group sizes dont you think?

I was commenting more to 2" remark rather than to the OP's real problems. If he can visually tell the difference in his ammo, it still might not be his rifle. Firing a round he was aware of being questionable, then possibly following that with an overpressure round could have left debris or damage in the chamber. 2 out of 3 boxes of ammo fit, with a min tolerance chamber and a max tolerance box of ammo, I can see interference being a problem, as it has happened to me with 223 and a tight AR. Without being able to see what he has, other than telling him to go to a gunsmith would be a WAG.

He didn't say if he tried all of the different ammo after the blown primer, he could also have bound up the extractor where the bolt won't close on anything. another WAG

 

[jimmymac]

Factory ammo. Factory chamber. Blown primer. Hard extraction. Inability to chamber factory ammo. More than one red flag screaming at you to stop.

Get with a good gunsmith and have him find the problem. IMO, you need to know exactly what’s going on before you fire the gun again and that’s not going to happen over the internet.

 

[gambleone]

Just joined the forum and hoping for some answers.

I bought my new Tikka Superlite in 6.5 Creedmoor on Monday, and today I finally got to shoot it. Worst day ever shooting a rifle. I tried out three different types of factory ammo (Hornady ELD Match, Norma HPBT Match, and Federal Premium with Nosler Accubond). Had problems with all three. Groups looked pretty good until I came across a round of Norma that wasn't hollow point. It looked like lead was filled all the way to the tip. I should have thrown it out because my groups started getting bigger after firing that round. One grouping later, I shot a round of the Hornady and I could barely eject the casing. Turns out that the primer blasted out of its pocket and welded itself to the bolt (not literally). It took about 40 minutes to remove the carbon scoring from the bolt after I got home. Frustrated with Hornady and Norma, I switched to Federal which would not even load into the chamber. The box says 6.5 Creedmoor, but the casings definitely have different dimensions than the other two. I was really looking forward to seeing the performance of Nosler's Accubond because I have heard so many good things about it and was hoping to use it for hunting whitetail this year.


Sorry for the long post, but I needed to vent. I never had any of these issues (even with cheap ammo) with my .223. Are these manufacturer defects normal? Do you think it has something to do with the Creedmoor being fairly new to the market? I love the rifle, but maybe it's cursed.

Where did you purchase the rifle?

 

[dreever]

Just joined the forum and hoping for some answers.

I bought my new Tikka Superlite in 6.5 Creedmoor on Monday, and today I finally got to shoot it. Worst day ever shooting a rifle. I tried out three different types of factory ammo (Hornady ELD Match, Norma HPBT Match, and Federal Premium with Nosler Accubond). Had problems with all three. Groups looked pretty good until I came across a round of Norma that wasn't hollow point. It looked like lead was filled all the way to the tip. I should have thrown it out because my groups started getting bigger after firing that round. One grouping later, I shot a round of the Hornady and I could barely eject the casing. Turns out that the primer blasted out of its pocket and welded itself to the bolt (not literally). It took about 40 minutes to remove the carbon scoring from the bolt after I got home. Frustrated with Hornady and Norma, I switched to Federal which would not even load into the chamber. The box says 6.5 Creedmoor, but the casings definitely have different dimensions than the other two. I was really looking forward to seeing the performance of Nosler's Accubond because I have heard so many good things about it and was hoping to use it for hunting whitetail this year.


Sorry for the long post, but I needed to vent. I never had any of these issues (even with cheap ammo) with my .223. Are these manufacturer defects normal? Do you think it has something to do with the Creedmoor being fairly new to the market? I love the rifle, but maybe it's cursed.

As others have said, you need to stop right there and take the rifle and all the ammo to a competent gunsmith. You don't want to fire another round until you find out what's going on. Your health and even your life could be in jeopardy! Sounds like a headspace problem to me, but I'm no expert.

Danny

 

[Texas10]

This ammo shot almost as good as any hand load I've been able to produce for my Savage 6.5 CM that has a EABCO accuracy barrel. I keep all the brass for hand loading and they've been very good. No loose pockets, neck splits, etc.
https://www.laxammo.com/hornady-6-5-creedmoor-140-gr-bthp-200-round-can-81483-detail

Here's another site you might be interested in for factory ammo.
https://www.ammograb.com/65-creedmoor/

 

[hoz53]

I was commenting more to 2" remark rather than to the OP's real problems. If he can visually tell the difference in his ammo, it still might not be his rifle. Firing a round he was aware of being questionable, then possibly following that with an overpressure round could have left debris or damage in the chamber. 2 out of 3 boxes of ammo fit, with a min tolerance chamber and a max tolerance box of ammo, I can see interference being a problem, as it has happened to me with 223 and a tight AR. Without being able to see what he has, other than telling him to go to a gunsmith would be a WAG.

He didn't say if he tried all of the different ammo after the blown primer, he could also have bound up the extractor where the bolt won't close on anything. another WAG

right i wasnt attacking you i just noticed several guys only talking about his accuracy and he appears to have bigger problems than that. thanks

 

[gambleone]

As others have said, you need to stop right there and take the rifle and all the ammo to a competent gunsmith. You don't want to fire another round until you find out what's going on. Your health and even your life could be in jeopardy! Sounds like a headspace problem to me, but I'm no expert.

Danny

If you had a primer weld itself to the bolt, you have mega pressure coming from somewhere. Do as dreever said. Would not fire that rifle the way it is now!

 

[M14AMU]

I need a 'barf bag' when Tikka is mentioned!

 

[6MMsteve]

I need a 'barf bag' when Tikka is mentioned!

savage lol

 

[carlsbad]

Factory ammo. Factory chamber. Blown primer. Hard extraction. Inability to chamber factory ammo. More than one red flag screaming at you to stop.

Get with a good gunsmith and have him find the problem. IMO, you need to know exactly what’s going on before you fire the gun again and that’s not going to happen over the internet.

THIS^^^^

Factory ammo should chamber. Lots of advice in this thread how to shoot straighter assuming the rifle is fine. Rifle isn't fine. Get it looked at.

 

[4xforfun]

. I tried the bolt from my .223 since it is identical to my Creedmoor, and it had the same results. Will not load.

Are you telling me that a creed will work with a 223 bolt face???

I don't own a creed, but the chamber specs I found say .473 bolt face. 223 is .376(ish).

What did I miss?

Tod

 

[Milo 2.0]

THIS^^^^

Factory ammo should chamber. Lots of advice in this thread how to shoot straighter assuming the rifle is fine. Rifle isn't fine. Get it looked at.

OP said the cases do not look like the others that fed?

 

[6MMsteve]

Guffey I bet he's laughin his arse off

 

[pirate ammo]

my opinion only;post where you live , get a recommendation from others on here,,just because someone has a GUNSMITH sign over the door does not always ring true.There is a lot
of junk work being by people who live only in their mind..

 

[joshb]

You mentioned a couple things that may be causing a problem. Tikka Super light would have a "pencil barrel". Not made for long strings of fire. You heat that barrel up and it's going to wander off target. Also, when you heat the gun up with long strings of fire, push a new round in the chamber and let it "sit in the heat" while you aim and the powder in that round is "temp sensitive", you COULD experience over pressure.
How many rounds did you fire in what time period, with the gun?
Also, what are the dimensions of the various cases at the base, just above the extractor groove?
I don't mean to sound severe, but if you switched out your bolt with a .223 bolt and expected a round to chamber, you need to stop what you're doing and find a Mentor before you blow your nose off!

 

[hoz53]

I don't mean to sound severe, but if you switched out your bolt with a .223 bolt and expected a round to chamber, you need to stop what you're doing and find a Mentor before you blow your nose off!

Good Advice Clunker - along with getting that gun and ammo to a gunsmith like others have recommended.

 

[hoz53]

Guffey I bet he's laughin his arse off

hes hiding because he knows the creed has headspace and hes so ashamed

 

[6MMsteve]

do not shoot by yourself and make sure you shoot with someone that has experience in reloading and maybe even a few matches or a seasoned varmint hunter your lucky today, tomoro maybe not, When I started shooting I had a seasoned varmint hunter tutor me along.

 

[hoz53]

Are you telling me that a creed will work with a 223 bolt face???

I don't own a creed, but the chamber specs I found say .473 bolt face. 223 is .376(ish).

What did I miss?

Tod

you got it right