Adjustable Scope Bases/Rings for ELR

[Ledd Slinger]

I am putting a rifle together for ELR shooting. I already have 30 MOA built into the integral rail of my Defiance action. I have a one piece NF Extreme Duty mount with 0 MOA. My plan is to bed in another 20-30 MOA on the NF mount for shooting 2K since I always bed my rings anyhow. Will bed the NF mount to the rail as well. It will be an amazingly solid mount no doubt . Problem is, if i do that on this rifle, im stuck with 50-60 MOA of compensation and my Kahles K1050 only has that much total adjustment so it would be hard to zero the rifle at any relatively close range if I wanted to later on for whatever reason. Of course I could knock the bedding out and reapply it without additional compensation, but that's a pain in the ass.

I'm just tagging in to hopefully read real world experiences and testing with these ELR adjustable mounts. This thread has been inactive for a couple weeks. Hopefully my post can help wake it back up. Thanks.

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

I've decided to give the Warne Angleye 0-90 MOA rings a try on one of my scopes. - I have multiple scopes and some 20, 30 & 40 moa bases already and I also am willing to give a product a try that I feel has the integrity & possibility of obtaining the desired results.
- The scope will be a 10-60x March with the MTR-1 cross-hairs. Scope has a total of 60 moa adjustment in elevation. - For the 338 Lapua Imp. shooting 300 gr. bullets I've calculated that I will need 57 moa of up elevation from a 100 yd. zero. - The goal will be to try to keep the scopes internal adjustments as close to "optically centered as possible" - So I'll set the rings for 30 moa & the 30 moa of the base (totaling 60 moa) and correct internally for the 3 moa of difference. - I'll attempt to detect if there is any unwanted movement by shooting some ahead of time by running a decent amount of rounds through the rifle. If things don't work out, I can revert back to my previous installation using the scope that has 100 moa of total adjustment on the 30 moa base and have a total of 80 moa of up that I had before.
- I haven't seen any posts to date on the use of the Warne Angleye rings which are available in 30 & 34mm and are available without the long waiting time and are available for under 300 bucks on amazon. - I'll post the results when I've completed testing.

- Ron -

 

[Ledd Slinger]

The AngleEyes should work well. Looking forward to your review Ron.

 

[284winner]

I've decided to give the Warne Angleye 0-90 MOA rings a try on one of my scopes. - I have multiple scopes and some 20, 30 & 40 moa bases already and I also am willing to give a product a try that I feel has the integrity & possibility of obtaining the desired results.
- The scope will be a 10-60x March with the MTR-1 cross-hairs. Scope has a total of 60 moa adjustment in elevation. - For the 338 Lapua Imp. shooting 300 gr. bullets I've calculated that I will need 57 moa of up elevation from a 100 yd. zero. - The goal will be to try to keep the scopes internal adjustments as close to "optically centered as possible" - So I'll set the rings for 30 moa & the 30 moa of the base (totaling 60 moa) and correct internally for the 3 moa of difference. - I'll attempt to detect if there is any unwanted movement by shooting some ahead of time by running a decent amount of rounds through the rifle. If things don't work out, I can revert back to my previous installation using the scope that has 100 moa of total adjustment on the 30 moa base and have a total of 80 moa of up that I had before.
- I haven't seen any posts to date on the use of the Warne Angleye rings which are available in 30 & 34mm and are available without the long waiting time and are available for under 300 bucks on amazon. - I'll post the results when I've completed testing.

- Ron -

What's your range Ron ?

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

What's your range Ron ?

2000 yards with a 300 gr. Berger Hybrid at 2940 fps at 3840 ft. elevation at 85 degrees F (Indian Creek Range, Townsend, MT) - I was off by about 2 MOA in what I stated - Correction should be 59.2 moa rather than 57 moa according to the app I'm using. -

 

[284winner]

2000 yards with a 300 gr. Berger Hybrid at 2940 fps at 3840 ft. elevation at 85 degrees F (Indian Creek Range, Townsend, MT)

Kinda figured 2K. I came up with 55-58 moa for mine as well. Velocity at or near 3000 with 300s. I'm at closer to sea level at 850..

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

Kinda figured 2K. I came up with 55-58 moa for mine as well. Velocity at or near 3000 with 300s. I'm at closer to sea level at 850..

I was off by a couple of moa in my first stated post.

Are you planning to make the E2K match ? - I hope so, we need a good turn out so that the event can continue for the future.

- Ron -

 

[284winner]

I was off by a couple of moa in my first stated post.

Are you planning to make the E2K match ? - I hope so, we need a good turn out so that the event can continue for the future.

- Ron -

Sure would love to attend. I definitely will attend one but unfortunately my build will not be ready by then. I'm still looking for a range here in Michigan for ground work. Gonna be nearly impossible.

 

[284winner]

I was off by a couple of moa in my first stated post.

Are you planning to make the E2K match ? - I hope so, we need a good turn out so that the event can continue for the future.

- Ron -

When this originally was posted, it was my plan to hopefully have my gun complete by the day of the event. Not being set for date, I have a Wyoming antelope hunt planned for September. Rawlings isn't all that far from the Montana destination so my plan was to make it, providing the gun was ready. Dates changed and this gun just won't be ready nor will I have time to shoot for that range event. Bummer but there WILL be a second ELR shoot, I'm certain of that.

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

When this originally was posted, it was my plan to hopefully have my gun complete by the day of the event. Not being set for date, I have a Wyoming antelope hunt planned for September. Rawlings isn't all that far from the Montana destination so my plan was to make it, providing the gun was ready. Dates changed and this gun just won't be ready nor will I have time to shoot for that range event. Bummer but there WILL be a second ELR shoot, I'm certain of that.

- Building Guns / Projects: - I do a few myself and it always seems that some part(s) take longer than what was planned. - I'm looking at how well a 300 WSM with the 215 gr. Berger & a 29" barrel can do at 2K, and I may even shoot it in the 18 Lb. class and shoot the 338 Lapua Imp. in the 40 Lb. class. - Just to do some testing. - I'm offshore right now & will be in next week to resume more testing & practice for the coming events as I plan to shoot as a rookie at Deep-Creek at the 1000 yd. Nationals the weekend prior to E2K.
- I don't know what other options you have as far as calibers to shoot but I wouldn't hesitate to show up with a 30 cal. if you have one & could make it. Also, it won't surprise me to see some smaller calibers being tried in the competition. - Here's a chart for the 215 gr. Berger at 2900 fps - Still super-sonic to 2K - Needs almost 75 moa of up elevation from a 100 yd. zero, but still doable.

- Ron -

 

[284winner]

300 WM, 7 RM and some 284s. I do have a 300 RUM I could use. Has shot to 1500 well. My only other issue is the time of this event. I will be out there in late September. Being a 20 hour drive and work schedule, that's an issue. Especially with having a week off for the hunt. Any concrete dates for this event ? Last I heard, August.

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

300 WM, 7 RM and some 284s. I do have a 300 RUM I could use. Has shot to 1500 well. My only other issue is the time of this event. I will be out there in late September. Being a 20 hour drive and work schedule, that's an issue. Especially with having a week off for the hunt. Any concrete dates for this event ? Last I heard, August.

The Weekend of 18 & 19 August is when the E2K event takes place (weekend after the 1000 yard Nationals @ Deep-Creek). - And I understand work & schedules. - I work a 28 / 28 rotation and when I'm working I'm offshore & getting away isn't really an option unless it's a dire emergency. - Things worked out this time for me as I'm off on the 1st of August & have most of the month of Aug. off.

 

[284winner]

Sounds like a plan. Tough schedule for you too. Working out tho so all good.

The Weekend of 18 & 19 August is when the E2K event takes place (weekend after the 1000 yard Nationals @ Deep-Creek). - And I understand work & schedules. - I work a 28 / 28 rotation and when I'm working I'm offshore & getting away isn't really an option unless it's a dire emergency. - Things worked out this time for me as I'm off on the 1st of August & have most of the month of Aug. off.

 

[284winner]

Plans for my 338 will also be approximately a 15-20 lb set up rifle only

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

Received the 30 mm Warne Angleye Rings & mounted the 10-60x March on the 338 Lapua Imp. - Reduced weight by approx. 7 oz. which is good as I was right on the edge of 18 Lbs. with the IOR 4-28X.& 3 ring configuration. (Which I like a lot - It's very sturdy but very heavy & the scope is built like a tank - just wish it had a little more than 28x for the 2K event.). -
I'll try the 10-60x March with these new Warne Rings & see how it goes. - I like the Idea of being optically centered with 30 moa of up & down plus having up to 60X of magnification & Illumination in the MR-1 reticle
.
- If t6he Warne Rings shoots well, I'll run a 10-50x Sightron on the 300 WSM in a similar configuration as I have another 30 mm set of these Warne Rings on the way. - I like having more than 1 option to run with & would like to test both but I'm running out of time as far as the E2K match goes. - I'll be on the Range tomorrow and ever day that I can until the 4th of March preparing for both events.

- Ron -

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Received the 30 mm Warne Angleye Rings & mounted the 10-60x March on the 338 Lapua Imp. - Reduced weight by approx. 7 oz. which is good as I was right on the edge of 18 Lbs. with the IOR 4-28X.& 3 ring configuration. (Which I like a lot - It's very sturdy but very heavy & the scope is built like a tank - just wish it had a little more than 28x for the 2K event.). -
I'll try the 10-60x March with these new Warne Rings & see how it goes. - I like the Idea of being optically centered with 30 moa of up & down plus having up to 60X of magnification & Illumination in the MR-1 reticle
.
- If t6he Warne Rings shoots well, I'll run a 10-50x Sightron on the 300 WSM in a similar configuration as I have another 30 mm set of these Warne Rings on the way. - I like having more than 1 option to run with & would like to test both but I'm running out of time as far as the E2K match goes. - I'll be on the Range tomorrow and ever day that I can until the 4th of March preparing for both events.

- Ron -

Looking forward to your review. Do you have a scope tester? The design of the Warne Angle Eye rings leaves me a bit skeptical on their rigidity. Basically just shims under the ring held down by screws. Lots of pieces that can move. Would be nice to test them with 2 known solid optics to see if the rings move. Not saying that any of these other ELR bases or rings are a whole lot better, it's just that other Warne rings I have used in the past didn't have very tight tolerances. I just replaced a set of 34mm Warne rings on my buddy's 338 Lapua because they wouldn't hold. Rifle weighs 18 lbs and has a very effective brake. Rings were lapped, but not bedded. Probably could have bedded the rings to help them out, but decided to just replace them with a one piece Spuhr mount. All good now.

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

Looking forward to your review. Do you have a scope tester? The design of the Warne Angle Eye rings leaves me a bit skeptical on their rigidity. Basically just shims under the ring held down by screws. Lots of pieces that can move. Would be nice to test them with 2 known solid optics to see if the rings move. Not saying that any of these other ELR bases or rings are a whole lot better, it's just that other Warne rings I have used in the past didn't have very tight tolerances. I just replaced a set of 34mm Warne rings on my buddy's 338 Lapua because they wouldn't hold. Rifle weighs 18 lbs and has a very effective brake. Rings were lapped, but not bedded. Probably could have bedded the rings to help them out, but decided to just replace them with a one piece Spuhr mount. All good now.

I do not have a scope tester, but I need to get one. - I have a fixed power target scope that is 40x that I could probably use as a "standard". - Yes I agree, all these "adjustable" rings have parts that are subject to movement. We'll see how it goes & I'll do a report back.

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

Pretty well built, the height spacers and rings are integrally mounted to the base that attaches to the scope base rail. And there is double locking at the rear ring where pivot point for MOA adjustments are made and single locking at the front ring pivot point. Machine work is precise and major parts are made from T-7075 aircraft grade aluminum.

The true test will be how well they hold during use.