6XC OR 6 Creedmoor

[Frankr]

Hey guys it is no secret i am a big fan of the 6XC I feel maybe the greatest 6mm cartridge ever. Just works well. BUT looking at the 6 creed it is almost the same cartridge and i really doubt there could be much difference in them and that could be said for most cartridges in the same powder capacity area. And there are many but between the XC and the 6 Creed can there be much at all in the difference ? Has anyone shot both with enough experience to say ? I ask because there seems to be quite a few factory rifles being chambered for the 6 creed and only one i know of in the XC.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Not a lot of difference. 6 Creed definitely has more capacity which equates to a little more speed. Biggest thing is the 6 Creed far better selection of good quality brass and it's available EVERYWHERE if you're willing to neck it down from 6.5 Creed. Can even get it with small rifle primer pockets.

The 6.5 Creed is well on its way to replacing the 308 Winchester. So finding quality brass like Lapua or Peterson for any cartridge parented off that round is very easy. Plenty of good factory formed 6mm Creed brass out there too.

Any accuracy differences lie with the builders and beholders...

 

[Grimstod]

Their is virtually no difference. 6XC has more winnings though.

 

[Milo 2.0]

I shoot both, and like both. I really like the option of Lapua brass in the creed, and the option of other seemingly premium brands. The Norma XC brass is excellent, but historically pockets don't hold up if stepped on hard.
The 6 creed has more case capacity.

 

[WyleWD]

Within the last week I've talked to 3 shooters that have went from the 6xc to the 6 Creedmoor or have both. All 3 say they prefer the 6xc, and the 6.5 Creedmoor over the 6 Creedmoor. WD

 

[Milo 2.0]

Within the last week I've talked to 3 shooters that have went from the 6xc to the 6 Creedmoor or have both. All 3 say they prefer the 6xc, and the 6.5 Creedmoor over the 6 Creedmoor. WD

That's funny, there is no one that I know that started out with a 6.5 creedmoor and transitioned to the 6mm version that would ever go back. Shoot a 140 hybrid at say 2870 fps, or the same BC bullet in 6mm at 3100fps. No brainer.
With less recoil.

 

[Damon555]

My el-chepo Savage target rifle build uses a 6XC prefit Criterion barrel. The best shooting (and ungliest) rifle I've ever owned If you already shoot the XC there's no reason to change.....there's little to be gained.

 

[StanwoodSpartan]

Within the last week I've talked to 3 shooters that have went from the 6xc to the 6 Creedmoor or have both. All 3 say they prefer the 6xc, and the 6.5 Creedmoor over the 6 Creedmoor. WD

I've gone from the 6XC to the 6.5 Creed, then to the 6 Creed. I must be the variable because I'd never go back to either of the previous two.

 

[Catfur]

I shoot both, and like both. I really like the option of Lapua brass in the creed, and the option of other seemingly premium brands. The Norma XC brass is excellent, but historically pockets don't hold up if stepped on hard.
The 6 creed has more case capacity.

Funny, I shoot Lapua brass in my 6XC (note: said brass may possibly be headstamped 22-250). It lasts and lasts and lasts.

That's funny, there is no one that I know that started out with a 6.5 creedmoor and transitioned to the 6mm version that would ever go back. Shoot a 140 hybrid at say 2870 fps, or the same BC bullet in 6mm at 3100fps. No brainer.
With less recoil.

I've strongly considered the reverse (though I haven't actually made the switch), trading recoil for barrel life (my 6XC barrels seem to last from 1K-1.5K rounds, shot F-Open in the hot, hot NM sun). I never get 3100 out of them either, it may be easier with the 6CM, but I always top out from 3030-3050 with 105 hybrids.

 

[lawrence97]

Funny, I shoot Lapua brass in my 6XC (note: said brass may possibly be headstamped 22-250). It lasts and lasts and lasts.


I've strongly considered the reverse (though I haven't actually made the switch), trading recoil for barrel life (my 6XC barrels seem to last from 1K-1.5K rounds, shot F-Open in the hot, hot NM sun). I never get 3100 out of them either, it may be easier with the 6CM, but I always top out from 3030-3050 with 105 hybrids.

I always thought the 6xc was good for running the 105 bullets at 3100 plus! My dasher w 25” barrel can run the 105’s without pressure at 3050. So maybe the 6 creed is a better option to hit 3100-3200 with 105 class bullets.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

All the XCs I know shoot best around 3030/3050 with 105s. Some pressed them to 3150fps but the accuracy was never what it was at 3050fps. I wont lose sleep over 50 or 60fps, 3200fps with a 105 is something else but il rather shoot Xs as 3050 than make noise at 3200fps

 

[rardoin]

That's funny, there is no one that I know that started out with a 6.5 creedmoor and transitioned to the 6mm version that would ever go back. Shoot a 140 hybrid at say 2870 fps, or the same BC bullet in 6mm at 3100fps. No brainer.
With less recoil.

I prefer the 6.5 Creedmoor over the 6 Creedmoor. I've shot the heavies in the 6 at low 3000's and 3100's. When the breeze picks, the 140-142gr makes it's presence known.

 

[STOMP442]

My experience with the XC mirrors Caps. I have built three or four of them now with parts for another arriving yesterday. Seems like there is an excellent node right around that 3030 mark with the 105 VLDs or Hybrids. The XC is an excellent cartridge, very accurate and easy to tune. The Norma brass has given me great results and great case life. I have the same feelings about the 6 Creedmoor as I do the 6.5. Don't really see the need for its existence when all its doing is duplicating the performance of existing cartridges. It has a cool name though and cool names sell.

 

[Milo 2.0]

I prefer the 6.5 Creedmoor over the 6 Creedmoor. I've shot the heavies in the 6 at low 3000's and 3100's. When the breeze picks, the 140-142gr makes it's presence known.

Your basically saying weight trumps speed and bc then.

 

[rardoin]

My gun shoots better aggregate groups at 300-600yds over all conditions with the 6.5 Creed vs 6 Creed.. Just my observation and why I have the 6 Creedmoor on ice for competition. I make no inferences as to why.

 

[Milo 2.0]

My gun shoots better aggregate groups at 300-600yds over all conditions with the 6.5 Creed vs 6 Creed.. Just my observation and why I have the 6 Creedmoor on ice for competition. I make no inferences as to why.

I was actually agreeing with you, there was a post concerning equal bc bullets, would the heavy rule? I tried to stay out of it, but I've seen time and again that it does.

 

[rardoin]

I was actually agreeing with you, there was a post concerning equal bc bullets, would the heavy rule? I tried to stay out of it, but I've seen time and again that it does.

I understand Milo... In theory you would have equivalent performance with same B.C and higher velocity smaller bullet/slower velocity larger bullet (at the appropriate respective velocities) but it still seems that in practice the heavier of the equivalent B.C. bullets still outperforms the lighter in this instance. Of course, everything works in theory...LOL.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

I shoot along side allot of 6.5creeds...they can manage all the extra weight in the world it makes no difference. Speed kills

 

[jaygorski]

My gun shoots better aggregate groups at 300-600yds over all conditions with the 6.5 Creed vs 6 Creed.. Just my observation and why I have the 6 Creedmoor on ice for competition. I make no inferences as to why.

What sorta groups do you get at 300-600 with the 6.5?

 

[rardoin]

I could get 5 shot groups under .9" fairly often with the 6 Creed and EPS 106's at 3015 avg fps. Up above 3100 i would always seem to get one shot that opened groups up over 1-1.2". I could get the 6.5 Creedmoor shooting consitent 5 shot groups at/under 1" at 300yds. At 600yds in the breeze I did not get the scores in F-class type 'tactical rifle' class using the 6 Creed barrel that I could get with the 6.5 Creed. If I could get a great shooting load with a 115gr at 3000 that would be the ticket but I dropped the 6mm work once the Berger SW nationals were on the horizon as I needed to devote time to my F-open rig.