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Teflon Coated Cleaning Rod?

JasonT

So I've got several cleaning rods of all types: boretech and Dewey coated, Ivy and Proshot bare stainless, and couple CF rods. I've been using the hare stainless rods because of the added stiffness, but I recently looked down my bore with a borescope and notices longitudinal scratches running down the length of the barrel on top of the lands. Well I don't like that, after spending so many hours custom fitting my Barnard action with a bartlein barrel in a McMillan stock. So I wanted to prevent any more damage from occurring.

I was looking around my shop and I saw an old Dewey rod and I thought about how it might be made. Then I thought it would be really impressive if somebody made a cleaning rod that was simultaneously slippery, resistant to abrasion, softer than steel, and still stiff.

So why not a linear bearing shaft that's straight within 0.001"/ft and has a 0.020" thick layer of teflon. Why not?

Would anybody ever want this?
 
JasonT said:
So I've got several cleaning rods of all types: boretech and Dewey coated, Ivy and Proshot bare stainless, and couple CF rods. I've been using the hare stainless rods because of the added stiffness, but I recently looked down my bore with a borescope and notices longitudinal scratches running down the length of the barrel on top of the lands. Well I don't like that, after spending so many hours custom fitting my Barnard action with a bartlein barrel in a McMillan stock. So I wanted to prevent any more damage from occurring.

I was looking around my shop and I saw an old Dewey rod and I thought about how it might be made. Then I thought it would be really impressive if somebody made a cleaning rod that was simultaneously slippery, resistant to abrasion, softer than steel, and still stiff.

So why not a linear bearing shaft that's straight within 0.001"/ft and has a 0.020" thick layer of teflon. Why not?

Would anybody ever want this?
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An oxymoron I think. An Ivy heat treated toolsteel rod is best in my opinion with one of TK Nolan's Barrelsaver rod guides. Your old coated rods embed with trash and a hard polished rod won't.
How would you install a linear bearing on each end? Doing it on one end would do less than the Barrelsaver I think.
 
I should have been clearer, the linear bearing shaft is known to have a minimal bend. There's no linear bearing used.
 
Hi Jason; You may be aware but if not, a common mistake is that if you tighten the Jag or brush too much you will flare the rod at the attachment point and get those lines. If that be the situation, take an old jag and put it in a drill , balance the rod by the handle on something, spin it and grab a file and remove the flare.
 
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ClassCat said:
Hi Jason; You may be aware but if not, a common mistake is that if you tighten the Jag or brush too much you will flare the rod at the attachment point and get those lines. If that be the situation, take an old jag and put it in a drill , balance the rod by the handle on something, spin it and grab a file and remove the flare.
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Interesting! I didn't know this was common..I'm using a 0.281 ivy rod most of the time and a 0.26 Dewey rod at the range. I think the ivy rod deforming as a result of overtightening a jag is very unlikely. I'll check the Dewey tonight though.

You're all correct in my opinion that an ivy rod is pretty much the perfect rod. I just figured I'd ask if anyone else had seen something similar with a teflon coating before.
 
JasonT said:
It's definitely less likely to embed than nylon in my experience, principally because it's so slippery.

And I don't know what is on the boretech but it's hard as a rock.
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Maybe. I work with a fair amount of it though and it takes on a dirty figerprint like a magnet...and is hard to clean. It seems very pourous. I've seen rubber hoses wear holes in steel lines, too.

You might be right, Jason, but I'm not convinced.
 
JasonT said:
It's definitely less likely to embed than nylon in my experience, principally because it's so slippery.

And I don't know what is on the boretech but it's hard as a rock.
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Montana Xtreme rods are stiff& coated with something that is hard &slick . Mine has no scratches on the rod. Have used it for 2 yrs.
 
gunsandgunsmithing said:
Maybe. I work with a fair amount of it though and it takes on a dirty figerprint like a magnet...and is hard to clean. It seems very pourous. I've seen rubber hoses wear holes in steel lines, too.

You might be right, Jason, but I'm not convinced.
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You make a good point! I definitely think it's still possible to embed into teflon. I think the idea behind the coating is to be softer than steel but hard enough to prevent embedding right? But the idea of a coating is flawed thinking because a bunch of stuff in the barrel is already harder than the steel.
 
JasonT said:
Interesting! I didn't know this was common..I'm using a 0.281 ivy rod most of the time and a 0.26 Dewey rod at the range. I think the ivy rod deforming as a result of overtightening a jag is very unlikely. I'll check the Dewey tonight though.

You're all correct in my opinion that an ivy rod is pretty much the perfect rod. I just figured I'd ask if anyone else had seen something similar with a teflon coating before.
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I am not able to find a website for Ivy rods. I have tried ivyrods.com to no avail. Are they still making them?
Thanks
 
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